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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 05:46 PM
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For those intrested in Steve's (steve10) line lock/ABS delete kit I snapped a few more pictures of all the connections and hardware. Note, the line lock and prop. valve are not mounted yet. Still working out some bugs.





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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 09:52 PM
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Deletion of ABS = Not so bright on a street car.
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Nova5
Deletion of ABS = Not so bright on a street car.

Most intelligent post of the day.

I've never owned a vehicle with abs, it's always cause more problems then good.
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 10:32 PM
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I've had both.. I'll take an ABS vehicle over a non ABS. I drive both regularly to(Work truck - No ABS, Z28 - ABS). normal stop and go its not an issue. in a emergency stop its nicer to maintain steering control rather than have a slighty shorter stop distance.
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 10:20 AM
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Learn to threshold brake and have both!
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 10:47 AM
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Was that kit a PITA, or pretty simple?

My car hasn't had ABS for years, lol
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by pimpmaro
Learn to threshold brake and have both!
Lets see you figure out threshold braking while the car is doing the 4tire icy slide! also trying to pump brakes in a sudden oh-shittheresanidiotkidthatranoutintheroad manuvere is nearly impossible as surprise coupled with a shot of adrenaline will nail that brake pedel to the floor.
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by flyinZ
Was that kit a PITA, or pretty simple?

My car hasn't had ABS for years, lol

Very simple, steve sends you absolutly EVERYTHING that you need to do it right. All the way down to the wiring.
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 12:55 PM
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Bawls,

Thanks for the kind words. To reiterate, the kit can be ordered as a complete kit like your kit was. It is also offered in a variety of configurations for different applications...i.e. if you already have a double flaring kit...or purchased at an earlier time an SLP line lock solenoid as well as our as b001 solenoids.

Nova5,

I certainly do not want to argue your points of retaining ABS as it does have validity to it. Many consider F-bodies as a performance race car, not an everyday grocery, take your kids to school, all season driving vehicle. For the folks who use the car in this particular application, I wouldn’t advise removing ABS, changing to a light-weight k-member etc…these are all off-road modifications and race-oriented not intended for General Street DOT or safety approved use.

Removing ABS has no effect on normal driving. If you've never felt your pedal pulse, then you have NEVER used your ABS system. In this case, with the use of our proportioning valve, your car would drive just the same! The use of the proportioning valve is used to adjust your rear/front bias pressures to ensure correct braking performance…under hard braking conditions your ABS modulator and computer attempted to adjust this for you while reading specific data from its gear sensor using hall-effect gear tooth technology. Like mentioned, if you have never felt your brake pedal pulse, you've never used your ABS features.

Using a proportioning valve is an important adjustment feature as with different tire combinations adjustments ARE necessary. Without the valve, rear brake pressure will be nearly the same as the fronts creating the rear to ‘squat’ on braking and locking them up putting the car into a situation where the rear can spin out on you. (Some may relate this to going into a parking lot, applying the emergency brake and making doughnuts.)

For the race-oriented folks, removing ABS has MANY benefits i.e. removing ~10-12lbs of weight from the front end, opening up the engine area for increased air flow, some supercharger/turbo applications, different front/rear tire combinations...in these circumstances, the benefits are substantial or actually necessary. ABS has very little use and is actually a hindrance when it comes to road racing as well as drag racing.

It all depends on how advanced you prefer to go with your vehicle.

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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 03:18 PM
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Steve, if you already have a line lock kit(SLP), could you buy a package, that will still work with it? Or do you have a specific kit?
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by flyinZ
Steve, if you already have a line lock kit(SLP), could you buy a package, that will still work with it? Or do you have a specific kit?
Yes you can, you would purchase either the 139.99 kit that doesn't include the double flaring tool kit OR you would purchase the 159.99 kit that includes the double flaring tool kit. Essentially, you would keep your SLP solenoid and reuse it with its circuitry. The SLP lines...you could actually re-sell them if you knew someone whom needed them...i'm sure you can easily sell them to someone whom just purchases a solenoid and needs the pre-formed lines.

Steve

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Old Jun 26, 2005 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Nova5
Deletion of ABS = Not so bright on a street car.
its been proven that ABS has not been proven to give you an advantage....if you get wut im saying

check this out...http://www.mucda.mb.ca/aboutabs.htm, a study says its 65% more likely to be in a fatal car crash with ABS than without....think about that one

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Old Jun 26, 2005 | 12:52 AM
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A study can say whatever they payers want it to say by giving information that will lead to a predetermined conclusion. No study is worth its weight in anything unless more than 3 say the same thing and were all done by different groups and payers.
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Old Jun 26, 2005 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28SPD
its been proven that ABS has not been proven to give you an advantage....if you get wut im saying

check this out...http://www.mucda.mb.ca/aboutabs.htm, a study says its 65% more likely to be in a fatal car crash with ABS than without....think about that one
I just wanted to point out something really quick. While there is some truth to this statement, your post makes it sound like the ABS system is the reason for this, when it's actually poor driver skills. Here's the complete statement from your site link:

"Anti-lock Braking systems were developed to reduce skidding and maintain steering control when brakes are used in an emergency situation.

However, cars with anti-lock brakes are up to 65% more likely to be in fatal crashes than cars without them, says a new US study. It appears that the problem isn't with the technology, it's poor driving habits and lack of driver awareness on how the brakes operate. Driver who rely on technology instead of better driving habits to improve safety are driving down a dangerous road.

Since much of the problem stems from lack of awareness of how to use the brakes, education is needed."

Most of these accidents are single-car, since the ABS lets the driver retain steering control. The problem with that is that the driver will avoid whatever was in his path but drive right off the road into a tree, phone pole, guard rail, ditch etc. But it's the ignorant, panicky, unskilled driver (who's usually too tired to drive anyway). It isn't the fault of the ABS.
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