No more torque arm. G-force suspension setup
12-19-2006, 10:07 AM
#101
Originally Posted by SpecterGT260
come on man, were bein just a bit nitpicky here. the fact is that cars driven normally on rough roads last A. longer or B. with less maintainance than cars that are drag raced. ***** out is the hardest thing u can do to ur car as a whole. except for wrestling with a semi.... thats bad for it 
12-19-2006, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MeentSS02
By acceleration, I don't mean going to the corner grocery store to pick up tampons...I don't know about you, but I expect my car to perform on the streets no matter what, and I push it to do so.
Jon
12-19-2006, 11:59 PM
#104
Originally Posted by MeentSS02
By acceleration, I don't mean going to the corner grocery store to pick up tampons...I don't know about you, but I expect my car to perform on the streets no matter what, and I push it to do so.
12-20-2006, 10:24 AM
#105
Originally Posted by SpecterGT260
so you are talking about hard acceleration over potholes? well duh
12-20-2006, 10:40 AM
#106
Originally Posted by MeentSS02
Not potholes...just rough roads. You know...like you find in every day driving. Are you having a hard time understanding things? I could really dumb it down for you if you need some help...
12-20-2006, 10:43 AM
#107
Originally Posted by MeentSS02
Actually, the impact loading from potholes and bumps, as well as cornering, probably is more stressful than launching your car on slicks at the track.
12-20-2006, 11:28 AM
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there is more random loading and unloading of the suspension in street driving, which would make it more stressful as apposed to a straight on hit, in which ladder bars are designed for
12-20-2006, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BAD02WS6
also a flex joint on the front of the control arm is not needed. The suspension system is basically the same except for how to find pinon angle. the control arms flex around turns now with the ta in place.
That's my two cents on how they are not nearly the same.
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12-20-2006, 03:22 PM
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More food for thought.
http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.p...&hl=ladder+bar
Drag Race Oriented!!!
Jon
http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.p...&hl=ladder+bar
Drag Race Oriented!!!
Jon
12-20-2006, 04:17 PM
#113
Originally Posted by Jon B.
The suspension setup on the cars now is a three-link type setup. Those ladder bars make it a four-link. Four control arms can not control the axle the way a three-link type setup can. Here is an example. Fox mustangs have a four-link type control arm setup. The upper control arms are trying to do two things at once. Locate the axle laterally and control axle windup. In our cars, the Torque-Arm controls axle windup and the Panhard Bar controls lateral movement while still allowing the suspension to articulate freely.
That's my two cents on how they are not nearly the same.
Jon
That's my two cents on how they are not nearly the same.
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12-20-2006, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SpecterGT260
Not real huge into suspension but.... when I had a mustang, we all had 4 links, except for the s197s, who had a 3 link. I dont think it was quite like the torque arm system with Fbodies, but similar. anyways, the s197's launch like crazy, pulling sub 2sec 60s on street tires. I had a 00, and I was looking at a kit to convert over to a 3link like the s197s. 4 links arent bad, but they pretty much suck in their own right.
Jon
12-20-2006, 06:12 PM
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I still think pinion angle/stress would be a major concearn on anything making some good power. It would be the same difference as running a ladder bar set up only with extremely short bars. There is a reason the Torque arm in our cars is the length it is. Also, with the lift point that far back the car wouldnt transfer weight near as well. The question of the strength of the factory LCA mounting point comes into question also. The torque is no longer trying to push forward on the mount, its now trying to force the mounting point up through the floor of the car. The average mid 12 and 13 second cars probably wouldnt have any issues but I sure wouldnt consider this set up for any kind of car making serious power and looking for that extra edge at the track.
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12-20-2006, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeremiah
I still think pinion angle/stress would be a major concearn on anything making some good power. It would be the same difference as running a ladder bar set up only with extremely short bars. There is a reason the Torque arm in our cars is the length it is. Also, with the lift point that far back the car wouldnt transfer weight near as well. The question of the strength of the factory LCA mounting point comes into question also. The torque is no longer trying to push forward on the mount, its now trying to force the mounting point up through the floor of the car. The average mid 12 and 13 second cars probably wouldnt have any issues but I sure wouldnt consider this set up for any kind of car making serious power and looking for that extra edge at the track.
did you take a look at the video of ed wrights car on page 5?? kinda kills that therory. There is nothing wrong with the ladder bar suspension. People have been running on them forever.
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12-20-2006, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by blown90lx
did you take a look at the video of ed wrights car on page 9?? kinda kills that therory. There is nothing wrong with the ladder bar suspension. People have been running on them forever.
Your correct about the ladder bar susp. the problem is with the length of the arms on the G force set up.