CTS-V brakes, something different
05-14-2009, 03:49 PM
#562
I'm starting to think you may have got a "generic" Brembo version that will fit more than the CTS-V. Instead of making a gold one for the Subaru STi and that certain decal for the CTS-V, they just made them in basic silver with a basic Brembo decal. I'm not putting yours down though, I actually prefer them. 
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05-14-2009, 03:59 PM
#563
I'm starting to think you may have got a "generic" Brembo version that will fit more than the CTS-V. Instead of making a red one for the Evo, a gold one for the STi and that certain decal for the CTS-V, they just made them in basic silver with a basic Brembo decal. I'm not putting yours down though, I actually prefer them.
I just ordered a set of the CTS-V Calipers off eBay for my swap.
05-14-2009, 04:14 PM
#564
I'm starting to think you may have got a "generic" Brembo version that will fit more than the CTS-V. Instead of making a gold one for the Subaru STi and that certain decal for the CTS-V, they just made them in basic silver with a basic Brembo decal. I'm not putting yours down though, I actually prefer them.
but what is better about the sti style? why you perfer them?
05-14-2009, 04:37 PM
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ok well they where made by me and silverghost. they match the rear. well i had the rear coated.
also the z06 has a drilled rotor. where do i find a good f-body rear drilled rotor?
also the z06 has a drilled rotor. where do i find a good f-body rear drilled rotor?
05-14-2009, 04:37 PM
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05-14-2009, 06:50 PM
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The factory pads are quite good and very cheap when combined with the calipers, but if we have to buy them seperate we need to price them and then compare to similar aftermarket brands to make the best decision.
The clips and pins are essential. It looks like each caliper needs 2 pins and one clip. If someone can confirm this and maybe even take a picture of just these parts, it would be appreciated. It's possible that the GM pads come with a new clip. We'll have to investigate.
05-14-2009, 07:03 PM
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And don't worry about cheap drilled rotors for the rear. Since they don't get anywhere near as hot as the fronts, you shouldn't have any cracking problems. I know from experience.
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05-14-2009, 07:16 PM
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You might be able to get the stock rear caliper over a matching Z06 rear rotor or a cross drilled slightly smaller Z51 rear rotor. You'll at least get a big rotor look in the rear.
And don't worry about cheap drilled rotors for the rear. Since they don't get anywhere near as hot as the fronts, you shouldn't have any cracking problems. I know from experience.
And don't worry about cheap drilled rotors for the rear. Since they don't get anywhere near as hot as the fronts, you shouldn't have any cracking problems. I know from experience.
05-14-2009, 07:22 PM
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I'm pretty sure any of the C5 and up rear rotors will interchange with the LS1 rear rotors. You just have to move the caliper to the right location. I swear I've seen brackets available from some places just for this. You might check with the guys at Kore3 dot com.
Here are some pics of the pins and clips on a Caddy.
You don't even have to remove the caliper to change the pads. Just slide out the pins and clip, slide out the old pads, push back the pistons on both sides (there is a tool for that) and then drop in the new pads.
Here are some pics of the pins and clips on a Caddy.
You don't even have to remove the caliper to change the pads. Just slide out the pins and clip, slide out the old pads, push back the pistons on both sides (there is a tool for that) and then drop in the new pads.
05-14-2009, 08:48 PM
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rims should be here by monday and rotors here tomorrow. so i hope it is good to go by next friday.
but weither the rotors are interchangable or not. i need to know about the e-brake. lol
but weither the rotors are interchangable or not. i need to know about the e-brake. lol
05-14-2009, 10:05 PM
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Here's some prices and where I got my setup
I got almost everything from ebay; ls1s skip 2. make sure you read befor you buy so u can save moneys
1.(Ebay) Drilled black coated front z06 and rear ls1 rotors $350
I wanted them to match and black so they took the oem z06 stripped it and recoated it to match the rears
2. (Ebay)93-97 LT1s This is ONLY for you, front nuckle kit I.e. LS1 hubs LS1 calipers spindels sensors $150
(Thew away my lt1 stuff and gonna sell the ls1 calipers)
3. (Ebay) pair of cts-v calipers $275 fully loaded and new
4.braded stainless steel custom lines made for this applacation from ed miller
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5. Adapers (ebay) for 129 shipped for a set of 4 so all tires will have a equally wider stance
Same price for 3/4 all the way to 2 1/2 I think
Powderc Coating cost me $95 for spindels and calipers in bright red !
wish I would have seen the adapters before I paid 69.99x4 for my adapters
I also paid 10.99 x4 for 16mm spacers that were to thin.
Hope I Helped and didn't confuse any 1
I got almost everything from ebay; ls1s skip 2. make sure you read befor you buy so u can save moneys
1.(Ebay) Drilled black coated front z06 and rear ls1 rotors $350
I wanted them to match and black so they took the oem z06 stripped it and recoated it to match the rears
2. (Ebay)93-97 LT1s This is ONLY for you, front nuckle kit I.e. LS1 hubs LS1 calipers spindels sensors $150
(Thew away my lt1 stuff and gonna sell the ls1 calipers)
3. (Ebay) pair of cts-v calipers $275 fully loaded and new
4.braded stainless steel custom lines made for this applacation from ed miller
75
5. Adapers (ebay) for 129 shipped for a set of 4 so all tires will have a equally wider stance
Same price for 3/4 all the way to 2 1/2 I think
Powderc Coating cost me $95 for spindels and calipers in bright red !
wish I would have seen the adapters before I paid 69.99x4 for my adapters
I also paid 10.99 x4 for 16mm spacers that were to thin.
Hope I Helped and didn't confuse any 1
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05-14-2009, 10:10 PM
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Is it possible to use brake lines from a corvette or CTS-V? I want it so that everything can be bought off the shelf at some parts store. Don't want to have to go to one guy specifically just for one thing.
And there is a few sellers on ebay selling loaded calipers for under 300 bucks shipped.
And there is a few sellers on ebay selling loaded calipers for under 300 bucks shipped.
05-20-2009, 01:04 AM
#579
Here are some questions and answers from the thread Super Cheap Big Brake Kit - Info which is now closed, but will still be updated with info and pics.
GM only cast one rotor and it is used on both sides. Before the car came out it was supected that one side would run hot, but GM knows what they are doing. Both sides cool just fine even under race conditions.
Those that want a BBK know you have to have rims that clear. I don't need spacers, though most probably will. I'll add more info about that later on.
Where are you getting your information that this isn't a hardcore race setup? These calipers have proven themselves the world over under race conditions on numerous high performance vehicles. The OEM rotors are pretty much only raced with on vettes, but they have proven themselves to last there as well. Maybe your thinking of the 6 piston Vette calipers as not race ready.
Yes to your first question. Any rim that clears the factory 6 piston caliper will also clear this CTS-V one.
That's a good question about the GTO, but I never researched them. It certaintly may work with the proper caliper bracket.
To say it's a "flaw" may not be accurate. Also keep in mind that the GM rotors are not the only choice. Blanks may be available from someone as well as proper directional vents. I just haven't looked around for them. update - I've added info on rotors from DBA. If any other companies are offering affordable rotors, please let me know.
Keep in mind that I'm off doing other mods now and never got around to buying all these brake parts. Plus I may also be swapping to a different aluminum spindle as well. I'm not a racer, either. I just tend to drive hard on the street. My thing is high speed runs. I wanted these brakes to both fill in the hole created by my big rims as well as for hauling me down from middle triple digit speeds. My goal is 200 mph, but I'm a ways off from that. It's either monster brakes or a parachute.
I'm the bling king? Not even close. If folks are just wanting big rotors then you can use a 13" or maybe 13.5" with 2 piston vette calipers under your 17" rim. With an 18" rim you can run this 14" rotor with the 2 piston vette calipers. Kits are already out there. It's bolt on.
Just check vette forums. There have been guys lapping with these rotors (and the stock 6 piston calipers) for several years now and the only complaints I ever heard concerned the 6 piston calipers. The rotors are working fine. If your still worried about the rotors you can go with aftermarket ones.
Cool air vents help a lot. The forward motion of the car way more than overcomes the air flow that naturally happens inside the rotors vanes. This is obvious to me. Just keep in mind all Z06's have forced air cooling. I bet the cooling vents are the reason these rotors work so well on the track.
If your going to run your F-body hard on a race track then there is a natural progression to brake upgrades.
Stock and swap to better pads.
Change to fresh and better brake fluid.
Add cool air vents.
Swap to 13" rotor.
Maybe swap to more aggresive pads.
If that's still not giving you the braking you want, then you probably need to step up to a Big Brake Kit. If you add the setup in this thread then you should already have cooling vents. I'm guessing that due to the affordable nature of this setup that some folks are skipping several steps. Then they think they can go out to a race track and beat the crap out of them. Guess what. If your fluid is old and you don't have cooling vents then your probably going to boil the fluid and get fade or maybe crack your rotors and then your going to point your finger at me or GM. It's not my fault or GM's either.
So if you want a track setup, do your research, change your fluid, add vents, use locktite on your caliper bolts, monitor your pad wear, check your rotor temps, etc... Don't just bolt this setup on and throw caution to the wind.
Why are folks bashing spacers/adapters? There's nothing wrong with using them. They're not even that expensive. Here's a trick to make your tires look more tucked in, add about 1* of negative camber. It moves the top of the tire in which makes it look more "tucked" plus it will improve your front grip.
I thought the Z06 rotors use 2 left rotors and one side doesn't cool properly? I think you are leaving out the fact only certain wheels will work and spacers are needed.
Also, wouldnt this kit be questionable in a race setup? I hope it is understood this is more of a street and bling setup than a reliable race setup.
Also, wouldnt this kit be questionable in a race setup? I hope it is understood this is more of a street and bling setup than a reliable race setup.
Those that want a BBK know you have to have rims that clear. I don't need spacers, though most probably will. I'll add more info about that later on.
Where are you getting your information that this isn't a hardcore race setup? These calipers have proven themselves the world over under race conditions on numerous high performance vehicles. The OEM rotors are pretty much only raced with on vettes, but they have proven themselves to last there as well. Maybe your thinking of the 6 piston Vette calipers as not race ready.
will any C6 Z06 wheel work with this setup, without running wheel spacers?
Thanks for your hard work on this, makes a great value. (I wonder if they would fit on the GTO, the caliper to rim spoke distance is huge (2" approx w/ stock 18" rims) but I am sure the caliper/hat offset is totally incorrect.
Ryan
Thanks for your hard work on this, makes a great value. (I wonder if they would fit on the GTO, the caliper to rim spoke distance is huge (2" approx w/ stock 18" rims) but I am sure the caliper/hat offset is totally incorrect.
Ryan
That's a good question about the GTO, but I never researched them. It certaintly may work with the proper caliper bracket.
I heard about the venting direction design flaw of the C6 z06 rotors.. not sure how true it is or not.
I mean if the brakes can handle what kind of racing you are doing, then I would think getting a bigger brake kit probably isn't going to make much of a difference. Bigger brakes can add unsprung weight. You'd probably have to buy some really expensive 19s if you wanted to keep the weight down. Most people will probably put a heavy C6 replica wheel on the car which will probably make you slower.
That being said, I'm pretty sure most people just want the kit for looks anyway. JasonWW is the ls1 bling king around here. While I don't always agree with using his mods for performance reasons, I think most of his stuff revolves around looks anyways which I'm pretty sure is the intent.
I don't trust GM too well with their performance testing and engineering
I mean if the brakes can handle what kind of racing you are doing, then I would think getting a bigger brake kit probably isn't going to make much of a difference. Bigger brakes can add unsprung weight. You'd probably have to buy some really expensive 19s if you wanted to keep the weight down. Most people will probably put a heavy C6 replica wheel on the car which will probably make you slower.
That being said, I'm pretty sure most people just want the kit for looks anyway. JasonWW is the ls1 bling king around here. While I don't always agree with using his mods for performance reasons, I think most of his stuff revolves around looks anyways which I'm pretty sure is the intent.
I don't trust GM too well with their performance testing and engineering
Keep in mind that I'm off doing other mods now and never got around to buying all these brake parts. Plus I may also be swapping to a different aluminum spindle as well. I'm not a racer, either. I just tend to drive hard on the street. My thing is high speed runs. I wanted these brakes to both fill in the hole created by my big rims as well as for hauling me down from middle triple digit speeds. My goal is 200 mph, but I'm a ways off from that. It's either monster brakes or a parachute.
I'm the bling king? Not even close. If folks are just wanting big rotors then you can use a 13" or maybe 13.5" with 2 piston vette calipers under your 17" rim. With an 18" rim you can run this 14" rotor with the 2 piston vette calipers. Kits are already out there. It's bolt on.
Its the rotors I was concerned about...I'm more than sure it's not going to matter on the street, but after a few laps....let us know how it went.
I dont think vents is going to help if it's an issue with the rotors design.
I guess with the right forged wheels, (no spacers) and some better rotors, damn now your talking!!!!!!
I dont think vents is going to help if it's an issue with the rotors design.
I guess with the right forged wheels, (no spacers) and some better rotors, damn now your talking!!!!!!
Cool air vents help a lot. The forward motion of the car way more than overcomes the air flow that naturally happens inside the rotors vanes. This is obvious to me. Just keep in mind all Z06's have forced air cooling. I bet the cooling vents are the reason these rotors work so well on the track.
If your going to run your F-body hard on a race track then there is a natural progression to brake upgrades.
Stock and swap to better pads.
Change to fresh and better brake fluid.
Add cool air vents.
Swap to 13" rotor.
Maybe swap to more aggresive pads.
If that's still not giving you the braking you want, then you probably need to step up to a Big Brake Kit. If you add the setup in this thread then you should already have cooling vents. I'm guessing that due to the affordable nature of this setup that some folks are skipping several steps. Then they think they can go out to a race track and beat the crap out of them. Guess what. If your fluid is old and you don't have cooling vents then your probably going to boil the fluid and get fade or maybe crack your rotors and then your going to point your finger at me or GM. It's not my fault or GM's either.
So if you want a track setup, do your research, change your fluid, add vents, use locktite on your caliper bolts, monitor your pad wear, check your rotor temps, etc... Don't just bolt this setup on and throw caution to the wind.
Why are folks bashing spacers/adapters? There's nothing wrong with using them. They're not even that expensive. Here's a trick to make your tires look more tucked in, add about 1* of negative camber. It moves the top of the tire in which makes it look more "tucked" plus it will improve your front grip.
05-28-2009, 11:57 PM
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has anyone tried the new SS camaro brembo brake rotor? it might have the right spacing. last thing i read the calipers bolt up, but no one has got a rotor that works. just wondering if anyone had tried the new camaro front rotors