Strut Tower Brace, Any Recomendations??
09-30-2006, 02:09 AM
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Who are these guys mitch and Sam, and what do they know? Why do you inteligent people put up with them? A STB is very, very functional part. Where else could you hang wet shop rags over the exhaust manifolds to dry them out? I think you people should hang onto those STB's, I love it when your cars are heavier than mine!
09-30-2006, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Second_Infinity
I keep my STB mainly because it gives me something to lean on when working over a hot engine.
09-30-2006, 09:53 AM
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interesting, i thought the frame flexes Body panels would actually move a tad, isn't that why the dash in every camaro starts craking exactly at the same point?
10-01-2006, 01:31 PM
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Argh. I bought an STB a year ago.. Only to hear that our car's don't need them!?
At least it'll make a good holding-onto point for the girlfriend when she's bent over the front of my car.
At least it'll make a good holding-onto point for the girlfriend when she's bent over the front of my car.
10-01-2006, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NightWindDriftr
Argh. I bought an STB a year ago.. Only to hear that our car's don't need them!?
At least it'll make a good holding-onto point for the girlfriend when she's bent over the front of my car.
At least it'll make a good holding-onto point for the girlfriend when she's bent over the front of my car.
10-03-2006, 10:39 AM
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Do they make one that comes foward and not straight over the engine? My girlfriend is kinda short... plus I dont want her touching the paint 
. I have heard both ways, I'm not an expert or anything, but if you want one.. why not get a light weight one and polish it up... its kind of a win win right? You have something that looks good, and light, and maybe it might help handling.
. I have heard both ways, I'm not an expert or anything, but if you want one.. why not get a light weight one and polish it up... its kind of a win win right? You have something that looks good, and light, and maybe it might help handling.
10-03-2006, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by CompTA
SFCs, also useless except as jacking points, as noted, notably (hah), by Sam Strano who tested with and without them on the track.
I honestly cant see how stiffening the chassis of a car is bad, engineers spend millions on developing very stiff chassis.
10-03-2006, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LT1BRN
interesting, i thought the frame flexes Body panels would actually move a tad, isn't that why the dash in every camaro starts craking exactly at the same point?
10-03-2006, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
They do work....undo the bar bolts while car is on ground--pretty easy...then put the car on a frame lift a foot or so until the wheels are hanging..the bolts are 10x harder to undo.....if you are going into a sharp corner and alot of weight is shifted, it will help.
10-03-2006, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
They do work....undo the bar bolts while car is on ground--pretty easy...then put the car on a frame lift a foot or so until the wheels are hanging..the bolts are 10x harder to undo.....if you are going into a sharp corner and alot of weight is shifted, it will help.
10-03-2006, 04:20 PM
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i don't care what people are arguing over.
It made a difference in my car. T-top cars will feel more diff than hardtops. To feel some difference, put your finger in the space between teh ttop and the apillar while driving, you will feel it flex and press on your finger. After my STB, it didn't press on my finger as much.
BTW, I got the BRM Xtreme STB. Much bigger than all the other ones out there. And BOY did I noitce a difference!
It made a difference in my car. T-top cars will feel more diff than hardtops. To feel some difference, put your finger in the space between teh ttop and the apillar while driving, you will feel it flex and press on your finger. After my STB, it didn't press on my finger as much.
BTW, I got the BRM Xtreme STB. Much bigger than all the other ones out there. And BOY did I noitce a difference!
10-07-2006, 04:36 PM
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Anybody here heard of strain guages? If not, then you can't prove the STB works for any matter. Just claiming that the car is put on a lift with the wheels hanging to prove the type of "chassis flex" that occurs while the vehicle is manoeuvering on the ground won't work on this type of vehicle. Heck, on both of my vehicles I have mistakenly lifted the vehicle with hydralic and scissor jacks inadvertantly in several wrong places, and there hasn't been any "tweaking" of the monocoque. If anything, you must use a frame measuring machine to accurately measure the the significant points of geometry over several mileage intervals, and even so, that's only first of several steps.
Also, can anybody explain why practically all STB's attach by only the two front bolts of the shock towers and not all four, especially since using all four would be more ideal for that purpose? Even so, it still won't be a dramatic effect since STB's don't change suspension geometry. Heck, the chassis geometry barely changes while in motion, even with "those two front end bolt attachment" per side STB's.
I can prove that it's just dead weight, why, because there are NO changes in the stress areas that an STB promises to help. Also, there is not a difference in lap times with or without. I did this utilising strain guages with the telemetry and all other control factors held constant. The only thing changed significantly was the STB installation.
One last question, what shocks are you guys running, and what are your valvings? Those things make a whole lot of difference, since they have a dramatic effect on suspension geometry.
Also, can anybody explain why practically all STB's attach by only the two front bolts of the shock towers and not all four, especially since using all four would be more ideal for that purpose? Even so, it still won't be a dramatic effect since STB's don't change suspension geometry. Heck, the chassis geometry barely changes while in motion, even with "those two front end bolt attachment" per side STB's.
I can prove that it's just dead weight, why, because there are NO changes in the stress areas that an STB promises to help. Also, there is not a difference in lap times with or without. I did this utilising strain guages with the telemetry and all other control factors held constant. The only thing changed significantly was the STB installation.
One last question, what shocks are you guys running, and what are your valvings? Those things make a whole lot of difference, since they have a dramatic effect on suspension geometry.
10-07-2006, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Foxxtron
Anybody here heard of strain guages? If not, then you can't prove the STB works for any matter. Just claiming that the car is put on a lift with the wheels hanging to prove the type of "chassis flex" that occurs while the vehicle is manoeuvering on the ground won't work on this type of vehicle. Heck, on both of my vehicles I have mistakenly lifted the vehicle with hydralic and scissor jacks inadvertantly in several wrong places, and there hasn't been any "tweaking" of the monocoque. If anything, you must use a frame measuring machine to accurately measure the the significant points of geometry over several mileage intervals, and even so, that's only first of several steps.
Also, can anybody explain why practically all STB's attach by only the two front bolts of the shock towers and not all four, especially since using all four would be more ideal for that purpose? Even so, it still won't be a dramatic effect since STB's don't change suspension geometry. Heck, the chassis geometry barely changes while in motion, even with "those two front end bolt attachment" per side STB's.
I can prove that it's just dead weight, why, because there are NO changes in the stress areas that an STB promises to help. Also, there is not a difference in lap times with or without. I did this utilising strain guages with the telemetry and all other control factors held constant. The only thing changed significantly was the STB installation.
One last question, what shocks are you guys running, and what are your valvings? Those things make a whole lot of difference, since they have a dramatic effect on suspension geometry.
Also, can anybody explain why practically all STB's attach by only the two front bolts of the shock towers and not all four, especially since using all four would be more ideal for that purpose? Even so, it still won't be a dramatic effect since STB's don't change suspension geometry. Heck, the chassis geometry barely changes while in motion, even with "those two front end bolt attachment" per side STB's.
I can prove that it's just dead weight, why, because there are NO changes in the stress areas that an STB promises to help. Also, there is not a difference in lap times with or without. I did this utilising strain guages with the telemetry and all other control factors held constant. The only thing changed significantly was the STB installation.
One last question, what shocks are you guys running, and what are your valvings? Those things make a whole lot of difference, since they have a dramatic effect on suspension geometry.
10-07-2006, 05:59 PM
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Now kill the SFC one, if there is one. You'll save me hundreds of dollars.
Yes, I'm the guy that always goes with the grain. But at least I'm not a ricer?
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10-31-2006, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
Sam knows his stuff but he is most definately the soup **** of suspensions.
edit: sorry for bringing this back from the dead
