what causes fishtailing
#2
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (19)
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Northern, VA
Posts: 1,336
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Revelation Z28
well besides street tires and torque.
what is the true way to stop from fishtailing 2nd without changing to sticky tires.
what is the true way to stop from fishtailing 2nd without changing to sticky tires.
Seriously tho, ive tried everything. my car just refuses not to spin second.
#3
Are you talking about straight-line only? I know for damn sure if I'm gassing it around a corner that's what I'm in for. I don't understand why you disregard the tires immediately; think about what is making contact between your car and the road.
So I suppose the best answer I have is leave the ASR on then if you have it - but that will only limit it some.
So I suppose the best answer I have is leave the ASR on then if you have it - but that will only limit it some.
#4
Moderator
iTrader: (11)
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: East Central Florida
Posts: 12,604
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes
on
6 Posts
4.10s and street tires, hmmm?
This seems to want a "driver mod", know your (tires')
limits and work the edge. If you want the hardware to
keep you out of trouble, you picked the wrong platform
(too many cylinders, for starts).
This seems to want a "driver mod", know your (tires')
limits and work the edge. If you want the hardware to
keep you out of trouble, you picked the wrong platform
(too many cylinders, for starts).
#5
Banned
iTrader: (115)
Originally Posted by jimmyblue
4.10s and street tires, hmmm?
This seems to want a "driver mod", know your (tires')
limits and work the edge. If you want the hardware to
keep you out of trouble, you picked the wrong platform
(too many cylinders, for starts).
This seems to want a "driver mod", know your (tires')
limits and work the edge. If you want the hardware to
keep you out of trouble, you picked the wrong platform
(too many cylinders, for starts).
Learn how to drive is your best bet. Trade car for a honda would be the next thing you should do if you cant figure how to not spin the tires.
#6
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (23)
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 3,467
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by jimmyblue
4.10s and street tires, hmmm?
This seems to want a "driver mod", know your (tires')
limits and work the edge. If you want the hardware to
keep you out of trouble, you picked the wrong platform
(too many cylinders, for starts).
This seems to want a "driver mod", know your (tires')
limits and work the edge. If you want the hardware to
keep you out of trouble, you picked the wrong platform
(too many cylinders, for starts).
I went from having good street tires to having chepo tires and I've had to relearn the limits of the car all over again. I miss my old GS-D3's .
#7
Launching!
iTrader: (6)
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 208
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Revelation Z28
well besides street tires and torque.
what is the true way to stop from fishtailing 2nd without changing to sticky tires.
what is the true way to stop from fishtailing 2nd without changing to sticky tires.
Best bet is to learn how to feather the accelerator pedal and learn at what point that traction is lost. There is no quick fix "mod" to help this one. Learn to drive, or, like others have said, buy a Honda.
Trending Topics
#9
TECH Veteran
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Rialto CA
Posts: 4,770
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
wtf... i never said i didnt like it, i just want to know what causes it.
i know about these cars, i just want to know what causes the *** to swing out.
does power hit one axle a little more on one side or what
i know about these cars, i just want to know what causes the *** to swing out.
does power hit one axle a little more on one side or what
#10
Moderator
iTrader: (11)
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: East Central Florida
Posts: 12,604
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes
on
6 Posts
The right side lifts due to the driveshaft torque
reaction, so the left tire will produce more force
and this makes the thrust vector off center. If
the front tires are resisting it then the rear will
scoot left.
Spinning tires have way less friction force than
stuck ones and no directional preference left/
right. So you can slide the rear against the
inertia of the body, the resistance of the front
tires, etc.
reaction, so the left tire will produce more force
and this makes the thrust vector off center. If
the front tires are resisting it then the rear will
scoot left.
Spinning tires have way less friction force than
stuck ones and no directional preference left/
right. So you can slide the rear against the
inertia of the body, the resistance of the front
tires, etc.
#11
TECH Resident
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Castro Valley, CA
Posts: 832
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sounds like you're not worried about it, just curious.
You can also have the 4 wheel alignment of your car checked; they will be able to see if your thrust angle is off. This is uncommon, but if it's off it will exaggerate movement of the rear under high torque. Worse yet, this happens when you hook well with both tires... so you end up pointed (and moving) in an off-center direction. If the car's ever been in an accident, thrust angle alignment should be checked.
You can also have the 4 wheel alignment of your car checked; they will be able to see if your thrust angle is off. This is uncommon, but if it's off it will exaggerate movement of the rear under high torque. Worse yet, this happens when you hook well with both tires... so you end up pointed (and moving) in an off-center direction. If the car's ever been in an accident, thrust angle alignment should be checked.
#12
TECH Resident
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Bellevue, NE
Posts: 866
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by RW99
Sounds like you're not worried about it, just curious.
You can also have the 4 wheel alignment of your car checked; they will be able to see if your thrust angle is off. This is uncommon, but if it's off it will exaggerate movement of the rear under high torque. Worse yet, this happens when you hook well with both tires... so you end up pointed (and moving) in an off-center direction. If the car's ever been in an accident, thrust angle alignment should be checked.
You can also have the 4 wheel alignment of your car checked; they will be able to see if your thrust angle is off. This is uncommon, but if it's off it will exaggerate movement of the rear under high torque. Worse yet, this happens when you hook well with both tires... so you end up pointed (and moving) in an off-center direction. If the car's ever been in an accident, thrust angle alignment should be checked.
#13
TECH Veteran
Thread Starter
iTrader: (10)
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Rialto CA
Posts: 4,770
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
i dont think the car has had alignment in a few years.
thats on the to do list along with the ball joints and front A arm bushings.
is there a write up on how to measure thrust angle?
thats on the to do list along with the ball joints and front A arm bushings.
is there a write up on how to measure thrust angle?
#14
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: MA
Posts: 3,934
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by jimmyblue
The right side lifts due to the driveshaft torque
reaction, so the left tire will produce more force
and this makes the thrust vector off center. If
the front tires are resisting it then the rear will
scoot left.
Spinning tires have way less friction force than
stuck ones and no directional preference left/
right. So you can slide the rear against the
inertia of the body, the resistance of the front
tires, etc.
reaction, so the left tire will produce more force
and this makes the thrust vector off center. If
the front tires are resisting it then the rear will
scoot left.
Spinning tires have way less friction force than
stuck ones and no directional preference left/
right. So you can slide the rear against the
inertia of the body, the resistance of the front
tires, etc.
Does that make any sense? This slight reaction to the driveshaft causes a downforce on one tire and an upward force on the other.