What gun to get...and where?
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Why would you bother getting a concealed carry license if you aren't worried about criminals and thier mentality? My point is, since you are obviously avoiding the issue; If you aren't going to be serious and socially responsible enough to learn what you need to learn to carry a firearm (for personal defense or otherwise) don't bother. You will only do more harm than good. ![GTFO](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/gtfoslap.gif)
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Originally Posted by 108dragon
As far as your KISS approach goes, if a revolver was the simplest and most ergonomic approach to ANY sidearm carry, law enforcement, government agencies, and the military would still be using them. They aren't. In fact, most savvy pistoleros STILL lean toward a custom 1911 style weapon (all modern automatics are still built on Browning patents).
Originally Posted by 108dragon
Point, since I have to spell it out to you; A Springfield XD requires less training to become proficient with than a S&W model 29.
Modern automatics (Springfield XD, Walther P99, etc.) enjoy reliability ratings on par with any revolver. The safeties are damn near idiot proof and designed for combat/fast reaction use. Even the classic 1911 was specifically DESIGNED for killing humans and eclipsed the revolver as the sidearm of choice with professionals who make a living killing people. The safties are there for a reason!
Modern automatics (Springfield XD, Walther P99, etc.) enjoy reliability ratings on par with any revolver. The safeties are damn near idiot proof and designed for combat/fast reaction use. Even the classic 1911 was specifically DESIGNED for killing humans and eclipsed the revolver as the sidearm of choice with professionals who make a living killing people. The safties are there for a reason!
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The only reason you aren't sure what I'm talking about is because you choose not to. When you lose a family member or you yourself are shot by one of your "internet cowboys" with a CCL and a shiney new pistol (accidently or collaterally), we can have this conversation again. Otherwise, no, you probably won't get it.![Bang Head](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_banghead.gif)
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NO joke. Browning designed some great firearms
Anyone that thinks semis aren't as reliable as revolvers needs to research the torture test the 1911 went through before becoming the military's sidearm.
For your reading pleasure:
A torture test was conducted, on March 3rd, 1911. The test consisted of having each gun fire 6000 rounds. One hundred shots would be fired and the pistol would be allowed to cool for 5 minutes. After every 1000 rounds, the pistol would be cleaned and oiled. After firing those 6000 rounds, the pistol would be tested with deformed cartridges, some seated too deeply, some not seated enough, etc. The gun would then be rusted in acid or submerged in sand and mud and some more tests would then be conducted.
Browning's pistols passed the whole test series with flying colors. It was the first firearm to undergo such a test, firing continuously 6000 cartridges, a record broken only in 1917 when Browning's recoil-operated machine gun fired a 40000 rounds test.
The report of the evaluation committee (taken from 'The .45 Automatic, An American Rifleman Reprint', published by the National Rifle Association of America) released on the 20th of March 1911 stated :
"Of the two pistols, the board was of the opinion
that the Colt is superior, because it is more
reliable, more enduring, more easily disassembled
when there are broken parts to be replaced, and
more accurate."
Anyone that thinks semis aren't as reliable as revolvers needs to research the torture test the 1911 went through before becoming the military's sidearm.
For your reading pleasure:
A torture test was conducted, on March 3rd, 1911. The test consisted of having each gun fire 6000 rounds. One hundred shots would be fired and the pistol would be allowed to cool for 5 minutes. After every 1000 rounds, the pistol would be cleaned and oiled. After firing those 6000 rounds, the pistol would be tested with deformed cartridges, some seated too deeply, some not seated enough, etc. The gun would then be rusted in acid or submerged in sand and mud and some more tests would then be conducted.
Browning's pistols passed the whole test series with flying colors. It was the first firearm to undergo such a test, firing continuously 6000 cartridges, a record broken only in 1917 when Browning's recoil-operated machine gun fired a 40000 rounds test.
The report of the evaluation committee (taken from 'The .45 Automatic, An American Rifleman Reprint', published by the National Rifle Association of America) released on the 20th of March 1911 stated :
"Of the two pistols, the board was of the opinion
that the Colt is superior, because it is more
reliable, more enduring, more easily disassembled
when there are broken parts to be replaced, and
more accurate."
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Now that you actually said what you meant I agree with the first part of what you're saying but I'm still wondering why you are arguing this with me. You're basically calling me a moron because I said for the average Joe that a revolver is a better choice and basically idiot proof. What makes you think that I haven't been shot before?
You are thinking in terms of "requirements". I am thinking in terms of "efficiency". If a weapon has passed every safety, reliability, and durability test that the military and law enforcment community can throw at it, what makes you think it will perform any less efficiently in the same service for the "average Joe"? Proper training makes ANY safety transparent in application.
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JEEEZE....Freakin Boondock Saints kinda **** here (best movie ever). Nice *** guns man.
Edit: Just because I like Boondock Saints does not mean I am going to go around town killing people who do bad things. Just a movie. I felt I should say this b/c it seems people's opinons are being blown out of the water, and the next thing I know I'd be bashed on here for liking a movie that has guns in it.
Edit: Just because I like Boondock Saints does not mean I am going to go around town killing people who do bad things. Just a movie. I felt I should say this b/c it seems people's opinons are being blown out of the water, and the next thing I know I'd be bashed on here for liking a movie that has guns in it.
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I never stuttered what I was saying at ALL, bro. I apologize for calling you a moron. That was out of line. I am very passionate about training and readiness. I have too many dead friends to be otherwise.
You are thinking in terms of "requirements". I am thinking in terms of "efficiency". If a weapon has passed every safety, reliability, and durability test that the military and law enforcment community can throw at it, what makes you think it will perform any less efficiently in the same service for the "average Joe"? Proper training makes ANY safety transparent in application.
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These are my carry pieces. Colt Competition MkIV series 70. Briley bull barrels, tungsten guide rods, ti triggers, firing pins, and locking mechs. Basically, all the non-bling tactical options. Equally useful defensively and offensively. Carried in hack-hack shoulder rig or cross draw right/ small of the back left. 156gr Hydroshock, 200+gr Gold Dot, 230gr SXT, or Glasier Safety Slug. I group at less than 6" at 100yrds with FMJ rounds with these. I sometimes burn 100+ rounds a week in practice.
You are thinking in terms of "requirements". I am thinking in terms of "efficiency". If a weapon has passed every safety, reliability, and durability test that the military and law enforcment community can throw at it, what makes you think it will perform any less efficiently in the same service for the "average Joe"? Proper training makes ANY safety transparent in application.
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These are my carry pieces. Colt Competition MkIV series 70. Briley bull barrels, tungsten guide rods, ti triggers, firing pins, and locking mechs. Basically, all the non-bling tactical options. Equally useful defensively and offensively. Carried in hack-hack shoulder rig or cross draw right/ small of the back left. 156gr Hydroshock, 200+gr Gold Dot, 230gr SXT, or Glasier Safety Slug. I group at less than 6" at 100yrds with FMJ rounds with these. I sometimes burn 100+ rounds a week in practice.
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I never stuttered what I was saying at ALL, bro. I apologize for calling you a moron. That was out of line. I am very passionate about training and readiness. I have too many dead friends to be otherwise.
You are thinking in terms of "requirements". I am thinking in terms of "efficiency". If a weapon has passed every safety, reliability, and durability test that the military and law enforcment community can throw at it, what makes you think it will perform any less efficiently in the same service for the "average Joe"? Proper training makes ANY safety transparent in application.
![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/108Dragon/1911.jpg)
These are my carry pieces. Colt Competition MkIV series 70. Briley bull barrels, tungsten guide rods, ti triggers, firing pins, and locking mechs. Basically, all the non-bling tactical options. Equally useful defensively and offensively. Carried in hack-hack shoulder rig or cross draw right/ small of the back left. 156gr Hydroshock, 200+gr Gold Dot, 230gr SXT, or Glasier Safety Slug. I group at less than 6" at 100yrds with FMJ rounds with these. I sometimes burn 100+ rounds a week in practice.
You are thinking in terms of "requirements". I am thinking in terms of "efficiency". If a weapon has passed every safety, reliability, and durability test that the military and law enforcment community can throw at it, what makes you think it will perform any less efficiently in the same service for the "average Joe"? Proper training makes ANY safety transparent in application.
![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/108Dragon/1911.jpg)
These are my carry pieces. Colt Competition MkIV series 70. Briley bull barrels, tungsten guide rods, ti triggers, firing pins, and locking mechs. Basically, all the non-bling tactical options. Equally useful defensively and offensively. Carried in hack-hack shoulder rig or cross draw right/ small of the back left. 156gr Hydroshock, 200+gr Gold Dot, 230gr SXT, or Glasier Safety Slug. I group at less than 6" at 100yrds with FMJ rounds with these. I sometimes burn 100+ rounds a week in practice.
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i have never shot a gun as good as the glock 40! gun is badass!
im going to the police acadamey and i couldnt decide between the glock40 and the Springfield XD but went with the glock after shooting the xd....xd was awsome aswell just like the glock.... rugers are good aswell imo.... kimber 1911 are sweet shooting guns allso!!
im going to the police acadamey and i couldnt decide between the glock40 and the Springfield XD but went with the glock after shooting the xd....xd was awsome aswell just like the glock.... rugers are good aswell imo.... kimber 1911 are sweet shooting guns allso!!
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I posted on a another thread about some of these Texas guys feeling the need to pack a tactical shotgun for fear of thier safety. THAT cracks ME up. Me? My Z28 and Eclipse GST sit outside every night unlocked. I don't even bother locking my front door. Although I've had to break up a few domestics that woke me out of a dead sleep, I've never once had to fire on burglars or other hostiles. THAT, in my book, is climate control.
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Gun control laws save lives, no?... Maybe we should sell all our guns and take up MMA classes instead... It would be healthier choice... Hand to hand combat only, and a felony if caught with a gun!!!! Go old school with knives, sticks and stones, sling shots, maybe???... I'm sure you guys don't want to hear that though...
On the other hand the world is over populated and people need to die...My bad, reload and stand ready to fire at those criminals.... I love my gun too much anyway!!! It's nice and shinny, the grip feels really good, etc..
On the other hand the world is over populated and people need to die...My bad, reload and stand ready to fire at those criminals.... I love my gun too much anyway!!! It's nice and shinny, the grip feels really good, etc..
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Gun control laws save lives, no?... Maybe we should sell all our guns and take up MMA classes instead... It would be healthier choice... Hand to hand combat only, and a felony if caught with a gun!!!! Go old school with knives, sticks and stones, sling shots, maybe???... I'm sure you guys don't want to hear that though...
On the other hand the world is over populated and people need to die...My bad, reload and stand ready to fire at those criminals.... I love my gun too much anyway!!! It's nice and shinny, the grip feels really good, etc..![Grin](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif)
On the other hand the world is over populated and people need to die...My bad, reload and stand ready to fire at those criminals.... I love my gun too much anyway!!! It's nice and shinny, the grip feels really good, etc..
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Blades aren't a bad way to go. But "I'd hate to get killed for lack of shootin' back". California, huh? I bet your doors stay locked. hahaha
The things that are wrong with the world usually right themselves by attrition. Sooner or later, people pay for rotten things they do. In a world like that, you only do what you have to do. You fulfill your responsibility in and to your community. No more, no less.
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You are thinking in terms of "requirements". I am thinking in terms of "efficiency". If a weapon has passed every safety, reliability, and durability test that the military and law enforcment community can throw at it, what makes you think it will perform any less efficiently in the same service for the "average Joe"? Proper training makes ANY safety transparent in application.
Extremely nice guns and I'm glad that you take gun control/safety seriously, but you sir, in my experience, are the exception.
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Czechoslovic weapon. Under rated. CZ's quality control is born of Arsenal of Bulgaria's history. If I'm not mistaken, CZ's barrels are hammer forged. Same barrel technology H&K and Styer use. CZ just recently entered the synthetic (plastic) framed weapon arena to compete with the other high end manufacturers, though not nearly as pricey. I haven't heard anything bad about them tough. They are popular with INTERPOL and other European agencies.
Older CZ pistols had that weird European rear heavy thing going on. Kinda like the Walther PPK and Makarov.
If you have one in a non European caliber like .40, it would be a nice choice.
Older CZ pistols had that weird European rear heavy thing going on. Kinda like the Walther PPK and Makarov.
If you have one in a non European caliber like .40, it would be a nice choice.