View Poll Results: Which car to buy?
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Which car would you buy?
04-14-2009, 11:53 PM
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Sorry if this is a stupid question... I'm kinda new with F-bodies, but why do you like the LS1 over the LS2?
04-15-2009, 08:06 AM
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Must be an opinion not necessarily based on real-world experience. No doubt from a technical standpoint, LS2 > LS1. And mod for mod, LS2 > LS6. Hell, you could make up that 5HP difference by simply changing the air filter.
04-15-2009, 09:56 PM
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I would look at a few things:
I would look at performance and value. I would also look at what you plan on doing to it.
My first f-body, I went out and bought a fully loaded leather, t tops, ls1 camaro.
I wished I bought a stripper because once I got the car mentioned above, I turned it into a drag queen. The t tops were there for looks, the leather came out, the 4l60e was removed and replaced with a 3 speed. The rear end was replaced with a 12 bolt. etc etc etc. So again if this is going to be a daily driver, I would recommend performance and value. To me, you can't beat the 05-07 corvette. Especially the value part. The new camaro will be top dollar because of its being a new introduced product line. I would wait atleast 1 year till the prices come down if that was your first choice.
I would look at performance and value. I would also look at what you plan on doing to it.
My first f-body, I went out and bought a fully loaded leather, t tops, ls1 camaro.
I wished I bought a stripper because once I got the car mentioned above, I turned it into a drag queen. The t tops were there for looks, the leather came out, the 4l60e was removed and replaced with a 3 speed. The rear end was replaced with a 12 bolt. etc etc etc. So again if this is going to be a daily driver, I would recommend performance and value. To me, you can't beat the 05-07 corvette. Especially the value part. The new camaro will be top dollar because of its being a new introduced product line. I would wait atleast 1 year till the prices come down if that was your first choice.
04-15-2009, 11:38 PM
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Bottom line as long as your car gives you that **** eating grin every time you get into it then its the car for you.
04-16-2009, 11:37 AM
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Having driven everything except the LS9, Thats how I feel about these cars. I love a ZO6 anything, and don't particularly like any of the cars with the LS2. It doesn't feel like its 50 hp stronger than an LS1. The LS3 on the other hand surprise me, very powerful motors that put out 500 rwhp without a whole lot of work.
Bottom line as long as your car gives you that **** eating grin every time you get into it then its the car for you.
Bottom line as long as your car gives you that **** eating grin every time you get into it then its the car for you.
04-16-2009, 11:51 AM
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Having driven everything except the LS9, Thats how I feel about these cars. I love a ZO6 anything, and don't particularly like any of the cars with the LS2. It doesn't feel like its 50 hp stronger than an LS1. The LS3 on the other hand surprise me, very powerful motors that put out 500 rwhp without a whole lot of work.
Bottom line as long as your car gives you that **** eating grin every time you get into it then its the car for you.
Bottom line as long as your car gives you that **** eating grin every time you get into it then its the car for you.
An untuned LS3 is going to be slower at the drag strip than the LS2 Vettes thanks to more aggressive torque management. A tuned LS3 is a different story. But then you put heads/cam/headers on an LS2 Vette, and you're still less money invested than if you bought the 2008+ LS3 Vette and have a heck of a lot more power than the LS3.
All things are relative.
Driving them briefly is one thing. Owning them and driving them for a couple of years is another.
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04-16-2009, 08:41 PM
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A couple of Corvettes and that fat pig of a GTO 6.0. Frankly I just like the 5.7 cars better. Its opinion, hopefully no one gets worked up about it. Clearly the specs state 400hp>350hp.
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You're not going to put 500 to the wheels with an LS3 without heads/cam/headers (or perhaps stock heads with a monster cam, but there goes your daily drivability). But I guess it depends on what you consider a lot of work. My LS7 427 still doesn't put 500 to the wheels even with "not a whole lot of work".
An untuned LS3 is going to be slower at the drag strip than the LS2 Vettes thanks to more aggressive torque management. A tuned LS3 is a different story. But then you put heads/cam/headers on an LS2 Vette, and you're still less money invested than if you bought the 2008+ LS3 Vette and have a heck of a lot more power than the LS3.
All things are relative.
Driving them briefly is one thing. Owning them and driving them for a couple of years is another.
An untuned LS3 is going to be slower at the drag strip than the LS2 Vettes thanks to more aggressive torque management. A tuned LS3 is a different story. But then you put heads/cam/headers on an LS2 Vette, and you're still less money invested than if you bought the 2008+ LS3 Vette and have a heck of a lot more power than the LS3.
All things are relative.
Driving them briefly is one thing. Owning them and driving them for a couple of years is another.
Also, after looking further into it, that 500 number i quoted you was a hair off. What (I think) I was referring, was the GM PP LS376/480. Its simply an LS3 with a GM hot cam. It was installed in a 2001 Z28 and with exhaust and tune was good for 434hp-432tq. These numbers were through an SLP lid and the stock 90mm gen. IV Throttle body and intake. Also, as far as drivability goes, even with the "hot cam" the motor was good for 340rwtq from 1500 rpm.
Not trying to bust ***** or split hairs but just really gettin' to like this LS3.
04-16-2009, 10:32 PM
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Showroom Stock
11.71 @ 119.94 - AndrewZPSU - 08 M6 - (2590)
11.80 @ 118.82 - Gmrulz - 08 A6 Z51, Npp - (3482)
12.10 @ 117.60 - Dingrao - 08 A6 - (3567)
12.15 @ 115.59 - Old Goat - 09 A6 2.73 - (3712)
12.16 @ 116.54 - Vinsane112 - 08 A6 2.73 - (2744)
12.17 @ 116.80 - Pettvette - 08 A6 - (3290)
12.18 @ 117.72 - Hardhattg - 08 Z51 M6 - (2690)
12.21 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1 - 06 A6 - (1282)
12.23 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 Z51 M6 - (337)
12.23 @ 112.86 - 940CACC - 08 Z51 A6 - (2880)
12.26 @ 115.22 - Oklahoma - 08 A6 - (3767)
12.27 @ 118.66 - EZ28 - 08 Z51 M6 NPP - (3251)
12.31 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 F55 M6 - (679)
12.35 @ 117.47 - Bain - 08 A6 2.73 NPP - (2759)
12.38 @ 115.86 - Proney - 07 M6 - (3521)
12.40 @ 114.70 - Jschindler - 08 Z51 M6 NPP - (2138)
12.41 @ 116.15 - JTorchz06 - 09 Z51 A6 NPP - (3190)
12.41 @ 115.38 - HOXXOH - 08 A6 F55 - (2486)
12.42 @ 113.90 - DrRichie - 05 Z51 M6
12.49 @ 115.54 - 1.8T - 08 Z51 M6 - (2314)
04-17-2009, 12:22 AM
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Speaking from experience, the c5z06's are not the best daily drivers. I daily drive mine and it suits me just fine, however there are many days when I long for the comfort and cushiness of my last a4 c5 or a new a4 c6.
With that said, I would go with a c6z06
That'll be my next car.
Can't imagine driving anything else but another z06 after having my c5z06.
Out of curiosity, how does a c6 z51 compare to a c5 z06 in the handling department? I would imagine the c5z would win out, but don't know much about c6's.. I do know it took 4 years before the sexiness of a c6 started to grow on me.
*Edit* lol, just found a cool post; looks like the c5z does beat the c6z51 on handling by a noticeable margin:
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With that said, I would go with a c6z06
That'll be my next car.Can't imagine driving anything else but another z06 after having my c5z06.
Out of curiosity, how does a c6 z51 compare to a c5 z06 in the handling department? I would imagine the c5z would win out, but don't know much about c6's.. I do know it took 4 years before the sexiness of a c6 started to grow on me.
*Edit* lol, just found a cool post; looks like the c5z does beat the c6z51 on handling by a noticeable margin:
Originally Posted by 05WhiteSRT4
Originally Posted by 05WhiteSRT4
From the Corvette Museum:
Link to above quote: http://corvettemuseum.com/specs/2005/index.shtml
From Road & Track (Aug?)2004:
And last but not least, unbiased same question asked and the responses. This is the link you want to read:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-z...-question.html
A few quotes from the link above:
That's the gist of it...full thread is a good read...
Dave Hill driving both cars at the ring:
3 Seconds Faster in a C5 Z06, same driver:
7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06
7:59 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times
From the Corvette Museum:
Link to above quote: http://corvettemuseum.com/specs/2005/index.shtml
From Road & Track (Aug?)2004:
And last but not least, unbiased same question asked and the responses. This is the link you want to read:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-z...-question.html
A few quotes from the link above:
That's the gist of it...full thread is a good read...
Dave Hill driving both cars at the ring:
3 Seconds Faster in a C5 Z06, same driver:
7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06
7:59 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times
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04-17-2009, 12:28 AM
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You're not going to put 500 to the wheels with an LS3 without heads/cam/headers (or perhaps stock heads with a monster cam, but there goes your daily drivability). But I guess it depends on what you consider a lot of work. My LS7 427 still doesn't put 500 to the wheels even with "not a whole lot of work".
An untuned LS3 is going to be slower at the drag strip than the LS2 Vettes thanks to more aggressive torque management. A tuned LS3 is a different story. But then you put heads/cam/headers on an LS2 Vette, and you're still less money invested than if you bought the 2008+ LS3 Vette and have a heck of a lot more power than the LS3.
All things are relative.
Driving them briefly is one thing. Owning them and driving them for a couple of years is another.
An untuned LS3 is going to be slower at the drag strip than the LS2 Vettes thanks to more aggressive torque management. A tuned LS3 is a different story. But then you put heads/cam/headers on an LS2 Vette, and you're still less money invested than if you bought the 2008+ LS3 Vette and have a heck of a lot more power than the LS3.
All things are relative.
Driving them briefly is one thing. Owning them and driving them for a couple of years is another.
04-17-2009, 01:05 AM
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We can agree to disagree. Lot's of 08 and 09 LS3's on top of the bone stock catagory in the Corvette forums. Only 5 of the top 20 are LS2's.
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11.71 @ 119.94 - AndrewZPSU - 08 M6 - (2590)
11.80 @ 118.82 - Gmrulz - 08 A6 Z51, Npp - (3482)
12.10 @ 117.60 - Dingrao - 08 A6 - (3567)
12.15 @ 115.59 - Old Goat - 09 A6 2.73 - (3712)
12.16 @ 116.54 - Vinsane112 - 08 A6 2.73 - (2744)
12.17 @ 116.80 - Pettvette - 08 A6 - (3290)
12.18 @ 117.72 - Hardhattg - 08 Z51 M6 - (2690)
12.21 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1 - 06 A6 - (1282)
12.23 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 Z51 M6 - (337)
12.23 @ 112.86 - 940CACC - 08 Z51 A6 - (2880)
12.26 @ 115.22 - Oklahoma - 08 A6 - (3767)
12.27 @ 118.66 - EZ28 - 08 Z51 M6 NPP - (3251)
12.31 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 F55 M6 - (679)
12.35 @ 117.47 - Bain - 08 A6 2.73 NPP - (2759)
12.38 @ 115.86 - Proney - 07 M6 - (3521)
12.40 @ 114.70 - Jschindler - 08 Z51 M6 NPP - (2138)
12.41 @ 116.15 - JTorchz06 - 09 Z51 A6 NPP - (3190)
12.41 @ 115.38 - HOXXOH - 08 A6 F55 - (2486)
12.42 @ 113.90 - DrRichie - 05 Z51 M6
12.49 @ 115.54 - 1.8T - 08 Z51 M6 - (2314)
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11.71 @ 119.94 - AndrewZPSU - 08 M6 - (2590)
11.80 @ 118.82 - Gmrulz - 08 A6 Z51, Npp - (3482)
12.10 @ 117.60 - Dingrao - 08 A6 - (3567)
12.15 @ 115.59 - Old Goat - 09 A6 2.73 - (3712)
12.16 @ 116.54 - Vinsane112 - 08 A6 2.73 - (2744)
12.17 @ 116.80 - Pettvette - 08 A6 - (3290)
12.18 @ 117.72 - Hardhattg - 08 Z51 M6 - (2690)
12.21 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1 - 06 A6 - (1282)
12.23 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 Z51 M6 - (337)
12.23 @ 112.86 - 940CACC - 08 Z51 A6 - (2880)
12.26 @ 115.22 - Oklahoma - 08 A6 - (3767)
12.27 @ 118.66 - EZ28 - 08 Z51 M6 NPP - (3251)
12.31 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 F55 M6 - (679)
12.35 @ 117.47 - Bain - 08 A6 2.73 NPP - (2759)
12.38 @ 115.86 - Proney - 07 M6 - (3521)
12.40 @ 114.70 - Jschindler - 08 Z51 M6 NPP - (2138)
12.41 @ 116.15 - JTorchz06 - 09 Z51 A6 NPP - (3190)
12.41 @ 115.38 - HOXXOH - 08 A6 F55 - (2486)
12.42 @ 113.90 - DrRichie - 05 Z51 M6
12.49 @ 115.54 - 1.8T - 08 Z51 M6 - (2314)
Kind of like comparing dyno numbers. Throwing out a number without conditions and correction (STD, SAE, uncorrected), or even the type of dyno (Dynojet, Dynapack, Mustang) is also meaningless.
The only way you can compare that kind of data and come away with provable results on which car is faster is same driver, same day, same track, same conditions. A car running here at Baytown is going to run faster on paper (slips) than cars in Denver. A guy with zero track experience is going to have faster times than a guy with years of experience. An A6 is going to be considerably more consistent than an M6.
Yes, the LS3 is a great motor. But I guess you missed all those threads and lengthy discussions on the Corvette forum(s) about the torque management on the LS3s relative to the LS2 cars (factory stock). Modding will definitely put the LS3 up there.
But, yes, if he had a choice, LS3 would be it. But he didn't ask about the LS3.
And I'd love to see a dyno sheet of a cam only LS3 with 500 SAE at the wheels. That would be pretty impressive because this one only did 465: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/L...Cam_166015.htm
EDIT: Alright. I'm impressed. Not 500, but close.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...only-dyno.html. Cat delete alone would make all these motors more powerful with the right tune. And of course this scenario would definitely involve sacrificing some driver comfort as I mentioned.But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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I don't think so. I think what he is saying is that a guy with zero track experience can run on a rare day of -1000 DA in Houston or ATCO and get a great time where a guy with a lot of experience can run at Denver or Las Vegas with horrible DA's and still not post great times.
About the list I posted, yes there is no weather or track involved, plus IMHO the first car has tuning issues, but it is something to go by, an average per se. Who is to say that the fastest LS2 didn't also run in great weather. I still stand by my thoughts that the LS3 is faster than the LS2.
My bone stock LS3 is gladly awaiting any bone stock LS2 down in Houston at the track, lets line 'em up.
About the list I posted, yes there is no weather or track involved, plus IMHO the first car has tuning issues, but it is something to go by, an average per se. Who is to say that the fastest LS2 didn't also run in great weather. I still stand by my thoughts that the LS3 is faster than the LS2.
My bone stock LS3 is gladly awaiting any bone stock LS2 down in Houston at the track, lets line 'em up.
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And not one of them listing any weather conditions. Hmmm...
Kind of like comparing dyno numbers. Throwing out a number without conditions and correction (STD, SAE, uncorrected), or even the type of dyno (Dynojet, Dynapack, Mustang) is also meaningless.
The only way you can compare that kind of data and come away with provable results on which car is faster is same driver, same day, same track, same conditions. A car running here at Baytown is going to run faster on paper (slips) than cars in Denver. A guy with zero track experience is going to have faster times than a guy with years of experience. An A6 is going to be considerably more consistent than an M6.
Yes, the LS3 is a great motor. But I guess you missed all those threads and lengthy discussions on the Corvette forum(s) about the torque management on the LS3s relative to the LS2 cars (factory stock). Modding will definitely put the LS3 up there.
But, yes, if he had a choice, LS3 would be it. But he didn't ask about the LS3.
And I'd love to see a dyno sheet of a cam only LS3 with 500 SAE at the wheels. That would be pretty impressive because this one only did 465: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/L...Cam_166015.htm
EDIT: Alright. I'm impressed. Not 500, but close. https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...only-dyno.html. Cat delete alone would make all these motors more powerful with the right tune. And of course this scenario would definitely involve sacrificing some driver comfort as I mentioned.
But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Kind of like comparing dyno numbers. Throwing out a number without conditions and correction (STD, SAE, uncorrected), or even the type of dyno (Dynojet, Dynapack, Mustang) is also meaningless.
The only way you can compare that kind of data and come away with provable results on which car is faster is same driver, same day, same track, same conditions. A car running here at Baytown is going to run faster on paper (slips) than cars in Denver. A guy with zero track experience is going to have faster times than a guy with years of experience. An A6 is going to be considerably more consistent than an M6.
Yes, the LS3 is a great motor. But I guess you missed all those threads and lengthy discussions on the Corvette forum(s) about the torque management on the LS3s relative to the LS2 cars (factory stock). Modding will definitely put the LS3 up there.
But, yes, if he had a choice, LS3 would be it. But he didn't ask about the LS3.
And I'd love to see a dyno sheet of a cam only LS3 with 500 SAE at the wheels. That would be pretty impressive because this one only did 465: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/L...Cam_166015.htm
EDIT: Alright. I'm impressed. Not 500, but close.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...only-dyno.html. Cat delete alone would make all these motors more powerful with the right tune. And of course this scenario would definitely involve sacrificing some driver comfort as I mentioned.But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.