The new 2010 Camaro is here at Lone Star Chevrolet in Houston!
04-21-2009, 02:03 PM
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same thing i thought. i hated every picture i saw of this car... after seeing one in person coming off the truck from GM I had a totally different opinion on them.
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04-21-2009, 02:53 PM
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Out of curiosity, I went to the Ford web site and did a build and price on a new Mustang V6. With all of the most expensive options picked, I was able to get the price up to just over $33K. So, if $30K is truly the price for a fully-loaded V6 Camaro, hats off to GM! I hope they sell like crazy. Trouble is, $30K is $30K. The V8 versions are not the ones GM needs to be banking on. They need to sell the less expensive V6s in high volume.
I hope I'm wrong about my pessimism. I want GM to succeed. I probably wouldn't have purchased a Vette had I not had some belief in GM's ability to make good cars. I just have a bad feeling the Camaro isn't going to do well.
-Mike
I hope I'm wrong about my pessimism. I want GM to succeed. I probably wouldn't have purchased a Vette had I not had some belief in GM's ability to make good cars. I just have a bad feeling the Camaro isn't going to do well.
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The V6 pony car sales volume is what brings in the dough, not the V8 sales. However, as car enthusiasts we all want to have high performance pony cars, and as much as all of us testosterone driven guys despise the "chick car" V'6's, their volume sales and the income they produce are essential to the automakers in justifying the Mustang and Camaro nameplates.
04-21-2009, 03:19 PM
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I agree that as far as volume sales and profitability goes, GM needs to sell a LOT of V6 Camaros to help contribute to getting them on the road to some sort of financial recovery. Yes, Ford does sell a lot of V6 Mustangs, but I just don't believe that they are selling in the $30K range. Back when the '98 through '02 F-bodies were around, Ford's V6 Mustang sales were more than double the combined sales of the GM f-bods, which contributed to it's demise.
The V6 pony car sales volume is what brings in the dough, not the V8 sales. However, as car enthusiasts we all want to have high performance pony cars, and as much as all of us testosterone driven guys despise the "chick car" V'6's, their volume sales and the income they produce are essential to the automakers in justifying the Mustang and Camaro nameplates.
The V6 pony car sales volume is what brings in the dough, not the V8 sales. However, as car enthusiasts we all want to have high performance pony cars, and as much as all of us testosterone driven guys despise the "chick car" V'6's, their volume sales and the income they produce are essential to the automakers in justifying the Mustang and Camaro nameplates.
the v6's are like 24-25k when optioned normally, this isn't 2002 folks, 7 years of inflation....the price is spot on
04-21-2009, 03:46 PM
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I'm just saying that after the new wears off $30K for a V6 Camaro isn't going to fly with car buyers. They'll sell fast at first, but sales will plummet quickly unless you can buy one in the mid $20's. Watch and see.
04-21-2009, 03:58 PM
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The base MSRP is $22k............employee pricing is $20k
04-21-2009, 09:04 PM
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Anyone who's complaining about the price obivously has no realistic business knowledge. Conceptual Devlopment, Design, Engineering, Materials, Manfacturing, Labor, Testing, Logistics, Marketing & Advertising and the list goes on for cost incurred. It is a completely new car in a niche market that's already hit hard right now. It's a miracle it's is as cheap as it is. It's 2009 not 1995. Inflation, rising cost of materials due to consumption by devloping nations. GM is selling them at as low a margin as they can while tetertottering on the border of collapse. Maybe the government will start subisidizing American made vehicles. That will solve the problem. 
^^^ That guy.
I need to sit in one to make up my mind. I called a local dealership today to see if they had one yet but nope. I hope the interior looks better in person than in the pics.
04-22-2009, 12:13 AM
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Anyways. Like others mentioned, 30k is for the loaded V6. We'll see what the actual base is when someone buys one. Personally, I wouldn't buy a new V6, I'm a believer in the V8 coupe.
04-22-2009, 01:11 AM
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I personally think that with the Camaro starting at $23k is a MUCH MUCH MUCH better buy than a Mustang starting at $21k. You get IRS, much better engine and more room.
Compare a V6 Mustang. You get: $28,105
Compare a V6 Camaro. You get: $29,415
Those two builds are with the sameish options but the Camaro comes with more standard and TWO six speed transmissions.
Sorry but option for option the Camaro is the better all around car and worth the higher price.
Anybody look at the price of a 2002 Camaro SS loaded? Yea, it was damn high for what you got back in the day IMHO. Now, compare that to the new Camaro and how much GM build quality has improved and youll gladly accept the price.
Compare a V6 Mustang. You get: $28,105
Compare a V6 Camaro. You get: $29,415
Those two builds are with the sameish options but the Camaro comes with more standard and TWO six speed transmissions.
Sorry but option for option the Camaro is the better all around car and worth the higher price.
Anybody look at the price of a 2002 Camaro SS loaded? Yea, it was damn high for what you got back in the day IMHO. Now, compare that to the new Camaro and how much GM build quality has improved and youll gladly accept the price.
04-22-2009, 01:37 AM
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Come on' SJRTX, I know you have something to say. I bought my last car from him @ Lone Star Chevrolet. I will definetely be seeing him in a year maybe 2, about an SS after all the bugs are worked out. Really my only complaints are how heavy they are and the color options. I believe the Challenger SRT8, Charger SRT8, Pontiac G8 all weigh around 4100 lbs though. So I dunno, it always seems to me its Mustang vs. Camaro. Whos d!@k is bigger,lol. BTW have you seen the new Mustangs,the a$$ on that thing is yuck! 
04-22-2009, 06:05 AM
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I personally think that with the Camaro starting at $23k is a MUCH MUCH MUCH better buy than a Mustang starting at $21k. You get IRS, much better engine and more room.
Compare a V6 Mustang. You get: $28,105
Compare a V6 Camaro. You get: $29,415
Those two builds are with the sameish options but the Camaro comes with more standard and TWO six speed transmissions.
Sorry but option for option the Camaro is the better all around car and worth the higher price.
Anybody look at the price of a 2002 Camaro SS loaded? Yea, it was damn high for what you got back in the day IMHO. Now, compare that to the new Camaro and how much GM build quality has improved and youll gladly accept the price.
Compare a V6 Mustang. You get: $28,105
Compare a V6 Camaro. You get: $29,415
Those two builds are with the sameish options but the Camaro comes with more standard and TWO six speed transmissions.
Sorry but option for option the Camaro is the better all around car and worth the higher price.
Anybody look at the price of a 2002 Camaro SS loaded? Yea, it was damn high for what you got back in the day IMHO. Now, compare that to the new Camaro and how much GM build quality has improved and youll gladly accept the price.
The fact is, gearheads will do what they're going to do. We'll buy the high-end models, modify them, race them, and enjoy them. That's a slam dunk for sales. What GM needs is for everyone else to find some appeal to the car, so they want to buy it.
Hopefully, when people test drive a Camaro and a Mustang, they'll decide the Camaro is worth the extra grand or so.
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04-22-2009, 08:03 AM
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I personally think that with the Camaro starting at $23k is a MUCH MUCH MUCH better buy than a Mustang starting at $21k. You get IRS, much better engine and more room.
Compare a V6 Mustang. You get: $28,105
Compare a V6 Camaro. You get: $29,415
Those two builds are with the sameish options but the Camaro comes with more standard and TWO six speed transmissions.
Sorry but option for option the Camaro is the better all around car and worth the higher price.
Anybody look at the price of a 2002 Camaro SS loaded? Yea, it was damn high for what you got back in the day IMHO. Now, compare that to the new Camaro and how much GM build quality has improved and youll gladly accept the price.
Compare a V6 Mustang. You get: $28,105
Compare a V6 Camaro. You get: $29,415
Those two builds are with the sameish options but the Camaro comes with more standard and TWO six speed transmissions.
Sorry but option for option the Camaro is the better all around car and worth the higher price.
Anybody look at the price of a 2002 Camaro SS loaded? Yea, it was damn high for what you got back in the day IMHO. Now, compare that to the new Camaro and how much GM build quality has improved and youll gladly accept the price.
04-22-2009, 09:01 AM
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When are you not upside down when you purchase a new vehicle? Your upside down 15% 3 seconds after driving it off the lot, not to mentions 20% a year as an avg for depreciation.
Anyways. Like others mentioned, 30k is for the loaded V6. We'll see what the actual base is when someone buys one. Personally, I wouldn't buy a new V6, I'm a believer in the V8 coupe.
Anyways. Like others mentioned, 30k is for the loaded V6. We'll see what the actual base is when someone buys one. Personally, I wouldn't buy a new V6, I'm a believer in the V8 coupe.
And that is why you buy a used one at a discounted price after a year or so. Personally I wouldn't buy a new one anyway. I have a free company car, so why would I pay that much money for something that would sit in the garage. I could be like Lander's and have a whole 10k on his 2002 ZO6. That would be an average of about 1500 miles a year so far for something that costs alot of money.
