TX law clarification
06-12-2009, 10:00 AM
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i had mine off for the first 6 months i owned my vehicle, and never got bothered, as soon as i put it on my dash i got pulled over, so i just took it off. and ive been fine ever since.
06-12-2009, 10:16 AM
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no plate for almost 2 years on the camaro, and i just got pulled over in the truck for no plates at all, was driving to get a new bumper lol (no ticket), and the cop said i just need the rear one really, they like to see both but unless your driving like an asshat they dont care.
how much do you guys pay for wax/tire shine, and soap and clay bars, rims/tires, hoods and paint jobs, just to ruin it w/ a plate? the $45 you have to pay when you get caught w/ no front plate, IF you get caught, seems like nothing then huh?
how much do you guys pay for wax/tire shine, and soap and clay bars, rims/tires, hoods and paint jobs, just to ruin it w/ a plate? the $45 you have to pay when you get caught w/ no front plate, IF you get caught, seems like nothing then huh?
06-14-2009, 06:21 PM
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there is one cop i know of here that stops people for it but he has to KNOW of your car. I have been pulled over about 10-15 times in the past year since Ive had my vette mostly just to hassle me for being a kid with a nice car but none have said a word about my plate filler.
No place to mount it. No plate at all anymore. 25 years old in january so Antique plate coming soon.......
No place to mount it. No plate at all anymore. 25 years old in january so Antique plate coming soon.......
06-14-2009, 06:36 PM
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I used to have my plate behind the windshield and got stopped quite a bit for it. then I moved it to my air dam and got stopped for it being covered a lil. So I dropped it to where its an inch off the ground and have had no problems. I live in laredo and i've taken the car to Dallas and victoria numberous times with no problems. every time i shift though the plate scrapes the ground. lol
06-14-2009, 07:08 PM
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I have never had an issue with it, have not had one on since 2005 when I started to drive. I see cops all the time and never really seem to give me issue for it. As stated above...if you are not being a dumbass on the road then probably no need for them to waste time to pull you over for it. That and a firebird with a front plate is a HUGE HUGE NO NO!!
06-14-2009, 07:22 PM
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his is pressed down as far as it will go. its not going anywhere. it stays there even when he races. I like having mine outside the car. Id rather drag it off than have it flying around the inside and i dont want to scratch my dash.
06-15-2009, 09:27 AM
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Radar is not aimed, it's pointed. Most police radars are hard mounted in the cars. A cop can not aim his radar at your plate and he can not tell which target is giving him a response because all he has is a MPH readout. He sees an over the limit number then looks for the fastest target and pulls that car over.
Laser is a single point measuring device. They aim a laser, typically at the front plate because it's an easy reference point and it should be pointed straight back at the cop. Thats why you see cops standing outside of thier cruisers aiming the laser gun.
Laser is a single point measuring device. They aim a laser, typically at the front plate because it's an easy reference point and it should be pointed straight back at the cop. Thats why you see cops standing outside of thier cruisers aiming the laser gun.
06-15-2009, 10:12 AM
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Next time one pulls you over and gives you some story about it, tell him to look up this court order. I found this out when I was warned about not having a front license plate here in Lubbock.
Texas Transportation Code section 502.404(a) requires that a motor vehicle "display two license plates, at the 'front' and rear of the vehicle." Tex. Transp. Code Ann. § 502.404(a). The code does not define the "front" of a vehicle.
In State v. Losoya, 128 S.W.3d 413 (Tex. App. - Austin 2004, pet. ref'd) the Court of Appeals decided an issue very similar to that of my callers. In Losoya, the police testified they had noticed a pickup did not have a license plate mounted on the front bumper. Instead, the plate was wedged between the dashboard and windshield. As a result, the police stopped the vehicle believing a traffic violation had occurred. At the suppression hearing the police officer added he could see the license plate in the truck's front window.
The court found the term "front" ambiguous and looked to other factors to determine the meaning of the code section. The court said:
"While a place to display the license plate is usually found on the front bumper, the statute does not expressly require the use of this location. The display of the plate in some other place or manner is not inconsistent with the language or purpose of the statute. The officers testified that they could see the license plate in the windshield. We conclude that Losoya's display of his front license plate in the manner shown here did not violate section 502.404(a) as to give the officers grounds to reasonably suspect a violation of that statute."
And this is a ruling so you can use this if you get pulled over. I have a copy of the law and this in my car at all times. Have my license plate in the center of my window that is held on with suction cups.
Texas Transportation Code section 502.404(a) requires that a motor vehicle "display two license plates, at the 'front' and rear of the vehicle." Tex. Transp. Code Ann. § 502.404(a). The code does not define the "front" of a vehicle.
In State v. Losoya, 128 S.W.3d 413 (Tex. App. - Austin 2004, pet. ref'd) the Court of Appeals decided an issue very similar to that of my callers. In Losoya, the police testified they had noticed a pickup did not have a license plate mounted on the front bumper. Instead, the plate was wedged between the dashboard and windshield. As a result, the police stopped the vehicle believing a traffic violation had occurred. At the suppression hearing the police officer added he could see the license plate in the truck's front window.
The court found the term "front" ambiguous and looked to other factors to determine the meaning of the code section. The court said:
"While a place to display the license plate is usually found on the front bumper, the statute does not expressly require the use of this location. The display of the plate in some other place or manner is not inconsistent with the language or purpose of the statute. The officers testified that they could see the license plate in the windshield. We conclude that Losoya's display of his front license plate in the manner shown here did not violate section 502.404(a) as to give the officers grounds to reasonably suspect a violation of that statute."
And this is a ruling so you can use this if you get pulled over. I have a copy of the law and this in my car at all times. Have my license plate in the center of my window that is held on with suction cups.
06-15-2009, 12:43 PM
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until the law gets ammended to specifically state that the front plate NEEDS to be on the front bumper, the cop is still going to issue a citation.
you may or may not be able to beat it, but you WILL have to take off of work and sit in court for about 3 or 4 hours "just because you wanted to push the envelope".
if you don't wanna get stopped, harassed, issued a citation and have to take off of work, just put the plate on the bumper.
you may or may not be able to beat it, but you WILL have to take off of work and sit in court for about 3 or 4 hours "just because you wanted to push the envelope".
if you don't wanna get stopped, harassed, issued a citation and have to take off of work, just put the plate on the bumper.