Cam time, MS3?
FWIW... There is a car in this thread that we went to the track the very same night and our cars are basically identical in setup except that I am still running the stock cam and the other car had a huge cam. I actually ran a tenth faster in the 1/8th mile than that car, and said car was on MT DR's and I was on Toyo DR's. Point is bigger is not always better. That being said that exact car from a roll to top end race would probably pull out on me, but at the track my car can compete or run faster than some huge cam cars when I still run my stock cam. So dont get to caught up in the big numbers on the cam... A matched setup always runs better, and also if you still dont have at minimum a LS6 intake then your putting in more cam than you can feed. Without the supporting mods for the cam the cam is not very productive.
Last edited by 00pooterSS; Jul 28, 2010 at 12:51 AM.
LMAO you guys talking about big cams drive like **** on the street bahahahaha. My wife drives her WS6 every day with the ms3 on a 113 lsa. When we put the cam in it had pacesetter lt's,TSP y-pipe and magnaflow muffler, slp lid and the ms3 and it put down 406 at the wheel. TSP prc stage 2.5 ls6 heads bumped it to 443. the fast 92 and Nick Williams bumped it to 471.
Was wifes car an auto or M6?
Were all those rwhp #'s?
And were the heads milled?
Yes those numbers are at the rear wheels, havent taken it to the track yet..
Texas Speed Precison Race Components Stage 2.5 LS6 Cylinder Heads but I dont think they were milled. It sounds awesome and is fast enough for her.
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I really don't care to buy used heads unless I personally know the previous owner. I really could not tell you any thing on those heads though. I never had that brand and don't know any one that has either. I do agree with what others have said though. If you do not plan on doing heads and intake(suporting mods) I would not run the ms3. We knew when we did the cam that the other stuff would coom soon after.
FWIW... There is a car in this thread that we went to the track the very same night and our cars are basically identical in setup except that I am still running the stock cam and the other car had a huge cam. I actually ran a tenth faster in the 1/8th mile than that car, and said car was on MT DR's and I was on Toyo DR's. Point is bigger is not always better.
That being said that exact car from a roll to top end race would probably pull out on me, but at the track my car can compete or run faster than some huge cam cars when I still run my stock cam. So dont get to caught up in the big numbers on the cam... A matched setup always runs better, and also if you still dont have at minimum a LS6 intake then your putting in more cam than you can feed.
Without the supporting mods for the cam the cam is not very productive.
That being said that exact car from a roll to top end race would probably pull out on me, but at the track my car can compete or run faster than some huge cam cars when I still run my stock cam. So dont get to caught up in the big numbers on the cam... A matched setup always runs better, and also if you still dont have at minimum a LS6 intake then your putting in more cam than you can feed.
Without the supporting mods for the cam the cam is not very productive.
for stock heads, you better be looking at a a 224 type cam. I had an MS3 on my stock 243's no one bothered to tell me about the shitty valves in the stock heads, so now Im replacing everything due to that fact.
FWIW... There is a car in this thread that we went to the track the very same night and our cars are basically identical in setup except that I am still running the stock cam and the other car had a huge cam. I actually ran a tenth faster in the 1/8th mile than that car, and said car was on MT DR's and I was on Toyo DR's. Point is bigger is not always better. That being said that exact car from a roll to top end race would probably pull out on me, but at the track my car can compete or run faster than some huge cam cars when I still run my stock cam. So dont get to caught up in the big numbers on the cam... A matched setup always runs better, and also if you still dont have at minimum a LS6 intake then your putting in more cam than you can feed. Without the supporting mods for the cam the cam is not very productive.
I took the G8 to the track and ran .05 sec slower than a cammed GTO. Was I that close to it because of the cam or the driver?
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Verdad Gallardo This is far from proof of anything seeing how stock "completely identical" f-bodies have ran from high 12's to low 14's. Even removing the out laying runs, using 2 competant drivers, you could still easily see a .1 sec difference in ET.
I took the G8 to the track and ran .05 sec slower than a cammed GTO. Was I that close to it because of the cam or the driver?
I took the G8 to the track and ran .05 sec slower than a cammed GTO. Was I that close to it because of the cam or the driver?
here let me put this here for you, I am going to quote myself on this one maybe it will help you out a little.
Originally Posted by ME
FWIW... There is a car in this thread that we went to the track the very same night and our cars are basically identical in setup except that I am still running the stock cam and the other car had a huge cam. I actually ran a tenth faster in the 1/8th mile than that car, and said car was on MT DR's and I was on Toyo DR's. Point is bigger is not always better. That being said that exact car from a roll to top end race would probably pull out on me, but at the track my car can compete or run faster than some huge cam cars when I still run my stock cam. So dont get to caught up in the big numbers on the cam...A matched setup always runs better, and also if you still dont have at minimum a LS6 intake then your putting in more cam than you can feed. Without the supporting mods for the cam the cam is not very productive.
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Yeah pooterss, I should be on my nitrous tune by Saturday, also I replaced my fuel pump which is a night and day difference. A car that can't get enough fuel doesn't run like it should. Your car runs awesome, I was surprised it was running 7.9s stock. Also was that you I threw a rev to last week on rowlett rd? I thought about going this Saturday, probably go out there. You going?
I really liked my torq. v2 made great powerband with heads/intake. sound clip for ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0toxtrtjFk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0toxtrtjFk
Yeah pooterss, I should be on my nitrous tune by Saturday, also I replaced my fuel pump which is a night and day difference. A car that can't get enough fuel doesn't run like it should. Your car runs awesome, I was surprised it was running 7.9s stock. Also was that you I threw a rev to last week on rowlett rd? I thought about going this Saturday, probably go out there. You going?
And yeah I thought 7.9 stock long block with 180,000 miles was pretty good. Its just basic bolt ons, stall, gears(not worth much), tires, and a fuel pump with a good tune. I think it definately has 7.8x in it with a better launch and better weather. I only got it to hook two times that night it spun every other pass and banged rev limiter, that was the first time with the new converter and fuel pump so I need to go out more and see what it does with better tires.
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What do y'all think of the sts rearmount kit? I found one used I want to know if there is anything to look for before buying it? Are they hard to set up and what fuel pump do I need to upgrade to?
But There is up to a 20hp difference in iron blocks vs aluminum blocks along with the extra strength of a iron block.. I would stay away from boosting ls1.
Stick with the cam idea imo.
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sts rear mounts are just for show more than anything, i'de rather have a procharger or a magie.
also before ever thinking about boost on a 4th gen i would first do rear end and suspension. boost is an absolute waste if you can't get it to the ground.
hey jay what LSA was that tv2?
also before ever thinking about boost on a 4th gen i would first do rear end and suspension. boost is an absolute waste if you can't get it to the ground.
hey jay what LSA was that tv2?
I seen an sts kit on a trans am and I was not impressed. Actually alittle scared cause the turbo was only like 2" from the ground, one speed bump and your down. If you want a good cheap head, like mentioned before, get some LS6 heads and have them built, stainless valves, I prefur PRC springs, and either Yella Terra or Harland Sharp rocker arms. I have an MS3 that Im currently selling and its a nice and healthy shelf cam, but I have better heads now and more cubes so Im going bigger. But no matter what anyone says, use one peice stainless steel valves, there only $16.00 bucks a peace. I've replaced my LS1 and now rebuilding my LQ4 cause I used stock valves and 600+ lift springs.
If you have the ability to fab some **** up, buy a D1 headunit and bracket from Bob @ Brute Speed, fab up all the piping yourself, buy an ebay intercooler, get some 60# injectors and a 255 walbro, BOV, run around 7psi and I'm sure you can make 550+ Tod (TWS on here) has a camaro with a stock LS1, and 12 bolt I believe, with a D1 and makes 580. Not sure what boost setting though, but I'm sure it's not more than 9-10psi