For all the Ron Paul supporters without health insurance
10-29-2011, 12:50 PM
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UAW Local 249 - Ford KCAP - This guy and quite of a few of us are for Ron Paul 2012!!!! If only I could take pictures of what the fender guards on the Escapes said. We're not all Libtards! Oh yeah, I also don't have to pay for my health coverage as it's covered by the UAW... **** YEAH!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXunLwCiT4
10-29-2011, 12:55 PM
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Americans have to make a decision who they are and then face the realities of that decision.
The reality of social programs is that you cannot have it both ways. You either say that the sick , indigent/poor and elderly will die in the streets with no help from society or you will have government programs to help these people.
Let's have a look at what the world would look like in a pure capitalist situation with no government programs or laws to help the poor and elderly poor.
If there are no programs people who cannot pay would be escorted out of hospitals to the edge of the property by hospital security and left to die right there in the street.
If there was no social security, elderly poor would be out wondering the streets picking through garbage and begging until they died.
Young un-wed mothers having babies in back alleys & home bathtubs. (These are not just ghetto dwellers. Lots of these girls are suburbanite oops-ima-mommas)
That young construction worker who is just getting started in life crippled for life because no one at the hospital would help him without insurance.
Picture the streets of your neighborhood littered with sick and dying and beggers. The crime rate skyrockets. The neighborhoods that were once safe are not. Now you can't go anywhere and feel at ease.
The above all may sound good to a "young, dumb and full of ***" cowboy, but once you get a little older, have a family, a business and are part of the community, it is not such an exciting picture.
Social programs may not fit your idealism of fairness. But, social responsibility is necessary for maintaining a modern populated society.
So, once you accept that these social programs are necessary, it is time to go about the business of having everyone pay their fair share.
The reality of social programs is that you cannot have it both ways. You either say that the sick , indigent/poor and elderly will die in the streets with no help from society or you will have government programs to help these people.
Let's have a look at what the world would look like in a pure capitalist situation with no government programs or laws to help the poor and elderly poor.
If there are no programs people who cannot pay would be escorted out of hospitals to the edge of the property by hospital security and left to die right there in the street.
If there was no social security, elderly poor would be out wondering the streets picking through garbage and begging until they died.
Young un-wed mothers having babies in back alleys & home bathtubs. (These are not just ghetto dwellers. Lots of these girls are suburbanite oops-ima-mommas)
That young construction worker who is just getting started in life crippled for life because no one at the hospital would help him without insurance.
Picture the streets of your neighborhood littered with sick and dying and beggers. The crime rate skyrockets. The neighborhoods that were once safe are not. Now you can't go anywhere and feel at ease.
The above all may sound good to a "young, dumb and full of ***" cowboy, but once you get a little older, have a family, a business and are part of the community, it is not such an exciting picture.
Social programs may not fit your idealism of fairness. But, social responsibility is necessary for maintaining a modern populated society.
So, once you accept that these social programs are necessary, it is time to go about the business of having everyone pay their fair share.
See what you did here? You came up with all this nonsense when the bottom line is mandatory healthcare is unconstitutional. Are you american? Do you not get this? Im sorry but we have not fallen under a new world order or martial law so it just so happens its still illegal to not follow the constitution no matter how many fear mongering bs stories you wanna tell about people dieing in the streets lol Typical liberal garbage
Now please excuse me im off to teach my kids today that priveleges are not entitlement and they must be worked for
Catchya later Last edited by senicalj4579; 10-29-2011 at 01:02 PM.
10-29-2011, 01:27 PM
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See what you did here? You came up with all this nonsense when the bottom line is mandatory healthcare is unconstitutional. Are you american? Do you not get this? Im sorry but we have not fallen under a new world order or martial law so it just so happens its still illegal to not follow the constitution no matter how many fear mongering bs stories you wanna tell about people dieing in the streets lol Typical liberal garbage
Now please excuse me im off to teach my kids today that priveleges are not entitlement and they must be worked for Catchya later
Now please excuse me im off to teach my kids today that priveleges are not entitlement and they must be worked for
Catchya later The worst kind of blow hard is the one that preaches freedom and then lands on my door when they did not take care on their responsibilities. Unfortunately, there are a lot of these dirt bags out there.
10-29-2011, 03:40 PM
#64
I will not delete my second post nor will I apoligize.
Nor did I post a out of context video online and make an uniformed opinion stating that I no longer support Ron Paul because I felt like being sensationalistic.
What I will apoligize for is not being harsh enough.
If the OP really understood what is wrong with our country and really understood Ron Paul's position, he/she would have never have posted this thread in the first place.
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Nor did I post a out of context video online and make an uniformed opinion stating that I no longer support Ron Paul because I felt like being sensationalistic.
What I will apoligize for is not being harsh enough.
If the OP really understood what is wrong with our country and really understood Ron Paul's position, he/she would have never have posted this thread in the first place.
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10-29-2011, 05:12 PM
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Americans have to make a decision who they are and then face the realities of that decision.
The reality of social programs is that you cannot have it both ways. You either say that the sick , indigent/poor and elderly will die in the streets with no help from society or you will have government programs to help these people.
Let's have a look at what the world would look like in a pure capitalist situation with no government programs or laws to help the poor and elderly poor.
If there are no programs people who cannot pay would be escorted out of hospitals to the edge of the property by hospital security and left to die right there in the street.
If there was no social security, elderly poor would be out wondering the streets picking through garbage and begging until they died.
Young un-wed mothers having babies in back alleys & home bathtubs. (These are not just ghetto dwellers. Lots of these girls are suburbanite oops-ima-mommas)
That young construction worker who is just getting started in life crippled for life because no one at the hospital would help him without insurance.
Picture the streets of your neighborhood littered with sick and dying and beggers. The crime rate skyrockets. The neighborhoods that were once safe are not. Now you can't go anywhere and feel at ease.
The above all may sound good to a "young, dumb and full of ***" cowboy, but once you get a little older, have a family, a business and are part of the community, it is not such an exciting picture.
Social programs may not fit your idealism of fairness. But, social responsibility is necessary for maintaining a modern populated society.
So, once you accept that these social programs are necessary, it is time to go about the business of having everyone pay their fair share.
The reality of social programs is that you cannot have it both ways. You either say that the sick , indigent/poor and elderly will die in the streets with no help from society or you will have government programs to help these people.
Let's have a look at what the world would look like in a pure capitalist situation with no government programs or laws to help the poor and elderly poor.
If there are no programs people who cannot pay would be escorted out of hospitals to the edge of the property by hospital security and left to die right there in the street.
If there was no social security, elderly poor would be out wondering the streets picking through garbage and begging until they died.
Young un-wed mothers having babies in back alleys & home bathtubs. (These are not just ghetto dwellers. Lots of these girls are suburbanite oops-ima-mommas)
That young construction worker who is just getting started in life crippled for life because no one at the hospital would help him without insurance.
Picture the streets of your neighborhood littered with sick and dying and beggers. The crime rate skyrockets. The neighborhoods that were once safe are not. Now you can't go anywhere and feel at ease.
The above all may sound good to a "young, dumb and full of ***" cowboy, but once you get a little older, have a family, a business and are part of the community, it is not such an exciting picture.
Social programs may not fit your idealism of fairness. But, social responsibility is necessary for maintaining a modern populated society.
So, once you accept that these social programs are necessary, it is time to go about the business of having everyone pay their fair share.
I am no "young and dumb cowboy." I'm 39 and educated. I'm also a realist and see how these programs have bankrupted the country and will only drive us further into debt while the government gains more control over our lives, and the politicians get more greedy. I don't expect SS to be around when it is my turn to cash in, and I'm fine with that if it'll reduce the deficit. If my parents need help when they are older guess who I will look to. Myself, my family, and my church if need be. If I see someone needs help I help them. I don't need to be taxed higher to do this. I already give generously to charity and don't need to be taxed heavier. There is no need for the taxpayer to take on my burdens nor do I expect it.
People need to step up withsome self sufficiency, and take care of their own instead of expecting everyone else to. If others help, great, but it should not be expected.
10-29-2011, 05:15 PM
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If my parents need help when they are older guess who I will look to. Myself, my family, and my church if need be. If I see someone needs help I help them. I don't need to be taxed higher to do this. I already give generously to charity and don't need to be taxed heavier. There is no need for the taxpayer to take on my burdens nor do I expect it.
10-29-2011, 05:16 PM
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Agreed 
People just accept things because some were never taught and others are just part of the problem. The progressives accomplished their goal of retarding our history books so we could have our freedoms stolen from us without anyone standing up an "getting angry"
Like minded knows if there was ever a time to get angry its right now
"Dont mess with Texas" Thats why I respect Texas so much and wish I could move there. Most Texans still hold onto their personal freedoms and fight the un american communist bs that goes on in government. Probably why the Obumer administration hates Texas so much
People just accept things because some were never taught and others are just part of the problem. The progressives accomplished their goal of retarding our history books so we could have our freedoms stolen from us without anyone standing up an "getting angry"
Like minded knows if there was ever a time to get angry its right now
"Dont mess with Texas" Thats why I respect Texas so much and wish I could move there. Most Texans still hold onto their personal freedoms and fight the un american communist bs that goes on in government. Probably why the Obumer administration hates Texas so much
I have a real affection for Texas, it's such a bada55 state.
Here's my don't mess with Texas thread from last year. LOL
https://ls1tech.com/forums/texas-mem...ess-texas.html
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10-29-2011, 05:39 PM
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I will not give you an apology but I will start your education today.
Maybe your boy Barney Frank will apoligize to you . HAHAHA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UCSL...eature=related
Watch this why you can... they keep pulling this video off the air.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7pNr_Pz3js
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10-29-2011, 07:42 PM
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I fully understand your idealism. I think we all would like to only be responsible for ourselves. I sure would love to not be paying for everyone out there with no insurance who does not feel like they should have to purchase it. But I am paying for them. I hope you are not one of them.
The worst kind of blow hard is the one that preaches freedom and then lands on my door when they did not take care on their responsibilities. Unfortunately, there are a lot of these dirt bags out there.
The worst kind of blow hard is the one that preaches freedom and then lands on my door when they did not take care on their responsibilities. Unfortunately, there are a lot of these dirt bags out there.
Now what card are you playing? Your saying I dont agree with mandatory healthcare but im trying to get it for free? Now this is where its getting just plain stupid. Some responsible people use a thing called the walk in clinic and pay themselves out of their own bank accounts
Why are you standing up for government trampling the constitution? Because thats what it is if you think government has the authority to force a citizen to buy healthcare. Make healthcare more affordable from some other aspect other than forcing people to buy it unconstitutionally
10-29-2011, 07:52 PM
#71
Why is this so difficult to some? If you let government shred your constitution over mandatory healthcare then what other personal freedom will be next?! Where does it stop?!
Thats why the founders came here and made the constitution in the first place. Hello mcfly?!
Thats why the founders came here and made the constitution in the first place. Hello mcfly?!
10-29-2011, 08:46 PM
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Why is this so difficult to some? If you let government shred your constitution over mandatory healthcare then what other personal freedom will be next?! Where does it stop?!
Thats why the founders came here and made the constitution in the first place. Hello mcfly?!
Thats why the founders came here and made the constitution in the first place. Hello mcfly?!
Most of these folks here don't truly understand freedom despite the nose on thier face. You are making many valiant points in your discussions but they are laying upon deaf ears my good man.
The videos I posted here are basics to why our freedoms are diminishing. As Ron Paul said government could not handle housing. What makes any one believe the goverment can handle heathcare ?
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Would it make a difference if I said " falling of deaf ears " ... Oh fricken gee willikers, golly-gosh.
10-29-2011, 11:48 PM
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That's what I thought to when I read that.
In all fairness if Cain's 999 tax plan was to take effect the 16th amendment would have to be repealed or changed. Or if Perry wins and a flat tax was to take effect the 16th amendment might also face the same treatment.
I don't agree with the Obama care clash with the commerce clause.
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10-29-2011, 11:48 PM
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Most of these folks here don't truly understand freedom despite the nose on thier face. You are making many valiant points in your discussions but they are laying upon deaf ears my good man.
The videos I posted here are basics to why our freedoms are diminishing. As Ron Paul said government could not handle housing. What makes any one believe the goverment can handle heathcare ?
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The videos I posted here are basics to why our freedoms are diminishing. As Ron Paul said government could not handle housing. What makes any one believe the goverment can handle heathcare ?
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Deaf blind and dumb is more like it lol Perhaps if the constitution is such a burden to them then they may be better suited in a communist country where government runs theirs lives. Why dont they just move to where its better for them instead of trying to ruin this country? This place is the only free place left to come to for freedom and they dont give a ****.
Ron Paul is right, government cant handle healthcare they cant handle anything. Everything they touch ends up ruined.