03Sssnake

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The flex is good looking vehicle and the EcoBoost is awesome. My brother just bought an F150 XLT with EcoBoost. I knew it would have some decent pull, but holyshit it moved out a lot faster than I expected. I would love to see the EcoBoost end up in the mustang, would definitely consider that for a DD.

blackonblacksls

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Whoever mentions ford leather is an idiot. Gm has always used the shiitest interior known to man. Even on the corvettes the seats look like complete **** after 30k 40k miles. The trucks the camaros all of them literally fall to pieces. I'll compare my 01 mustang leather to anything gm that's as old with 80k miles and it will probably brand new in comparison. I am scared to see what my 2011 camaro interior will look like in a few years.

retardedpenguin

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Chevy is ****. I'm looking at a new truck and ford/dodge is just way ahead. Not to mention when pricing trucks, the $50k loaded duramax came out to nearly $60k with their bullshit options they added on. $900 for window tint? ******* joke, plus they damn near wouldn't let me leave.

Fords interior is sexy and dodge isn't nothing to laugh at either. Oh I forgot to mention the 18% interest rate on a chevy.

1ltcap

yea, but you can get a focus with a 240hp 4 banger.

1ltcap

within the next 10 or so years, it won't matter what you buy......you ain't gonna be doing your own work on anything new.

WILDMN

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I don't really care for the stereo/ac areas of the interior. I DO have to admit however that I like the rest of the interior alot better than the GM interiors.

WILDMN

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And penguin... the 18% interest rate on a Chevy isn't their fault... I could go get one today for 5% or less with my credit union... why even bring interest rate into the conversation about a car? It has nothing to do with it really. My credit union runs specials all the time for 0.9% interest on brand new cars... it doesn't matter what brand it is. Unless you rely on their financing, which they add all kinds of fees into no matter what brand you buy.

HTX

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Powerhouse

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It never fails with him. lmfao

codyvette

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That's no ****. I work on cars on the side and I send mod motors down the road. I don't understand how someone can look at any other manufacturer as a whole and call it a better product. I guess this is where ignorance is bliss. All auto makers make pretty damn dependable vehicles but when it comes to overall views give me GM any day of the week, at least if we are talking about gasoline and you plan on keeping a vehicle for the long run.

Slash8915

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Damn, I really need to join a freaking credit union already...

1ltcap

what kind of work are you afraid of doing on a mod motor? do you also turn down work on dohc gm's? or toyotas? or hondas? or mazdas? or nissans? or subarus? or chryslers?

HTX

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The technologies in Ford's new motor lineup is the future. Chevy will adapt its own technology that will be far more complex than it is now. Why? Because that's what people want. We want high horsepower cars with gas sipping efficiency while supporting our heavy amount of electronic demands.. That will not be accomplished with naturally aspirated, single camed, carbureted engines and 3 speed mechanical transmissions.

00pooterSS

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Not necessarily true. When it comes to CAN bus lines and new electronics that will make me have to buy a 10k dollar scanner to communicate with the system then no, I won't buy that or perform that work. But working on suspension, engine, brakes etc. I will still do my own work. I was a tech for many years and I always found a way to do repairs on vehicles that most tech's say can't be done by anyone but the dealer. That garbage has been being said for years. Most of that attitude is inability to understand how the systems work, or laziness. I say that because I used to take those jobs from those tech's. And actually it was more Diagnostic work than anything.



I am with codyvette, but maybe in a different sense. I am referring to engine teardown/repair. I have R&R'ed engine parts and cylinder heads on pretty much all the engines mentioned above plus many more. The cyl heads I had to R&R that I refuse to ever do again were on a Ford F150 with a 4.6, I later found out that the way the Ford tech's did it is to pull the cab of the truck off to save time. No thanks! I feel the same way about the Ford 4.0 V6 E motor. It has a damn timing chain between the transmission and engine for the bank one cylinder head. Rediculous...

The last mod motor I worked on was in a newer F150, believe it was a 08 or 09. Truck came in for a tune up, and becuse the new spark plug design is so wonderful the spark plugs break off down in the cylinder head.

00pooterSS

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That is a very good summarization.

I also do a fair share of side work. I will do repairs on mod motors but I will not do timing chain or cyl head work on them. All makes have certain downfalls, but some far worse than others. Being experienced with so many different makes of vehicles in all area's of the vehicle is what made me buy a Chevy in the first place, ironically I used to think they were absolute junk. I drove Hondas and Acuras for many years before I bought my Camaro. And I tore down engines in those many times, far more difficult than an LS based motor but nothing like a mod motor.

I didn't buy a 4th gen F body Camaro because I am a blind brand loyalist.

I agree, Ford has really came out with some awesome new idea's that need to be followed. And where I think they are really hitting the mark is all the turbo motors.

MasterTomos

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1). I have heard the new Explorer refured to as a "vagina on wheels"-and I agree
2). The new fusion looks like an Aston Marton, they didn't invent anything
3). The new Escape looks like a monster truck version of the fiesta

that is all.

DAVE00

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Personally I think the Explorer looks like ford ripped off the Range Rover design. However the interior is nice. As to the escape, that guage setup is aweful and it look like your looking at 2 bad boob jobs right in your face with the tach and spedo setup.

1ltcap

i;m with ya on the 4.0L. you never noticed the lack of keyways in the cams on those engines? the first one i ever worked on, i went up to the office to pull info out of the alldata. boss asked me what i was doing and i told him. he called a tech friend of his at a local ford dealer......they said i was right. he had me pack it up, and push it out of the bay. we loaded it on one of the towtrucks, and took it to the dealer.

i've had 1 or 2 4.6 liters apart. wasn't as bad as people think. i've never had a 5/4 apart, but for whatever reason, i've never liked those engines. maybe it's got to do with the ford spark plug thing. but then again, of the 5 or 6 of those spark plug repair kits i've installed, only 1 was below 200k miles. one of those was at 285k+ miles.

in my current situation at work, i don't do ANY engine jobs....meaning i won't r&r an engine. i farm those, and automatic transmission work out. i'll still do timing belts, timing chains, etc. i've got an escort lined up and a solara both getting timing belts right now.

when i used to do side work, i really didn't do much major work, unless i was stupidly slow. i always turned that down. i didn't want it, as it took up too much room for too long. i wanted stuff i could get in and out fast for decent money.

1ltcap

not to be a wise ***....even though i am......but not much of this technology is anywhere near as new as anyone thinks.

hudson was supercharging cars in the 50's. ford had DOHC engine in the 60's.....there were fwd in the 30's.

00pooterSS

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Yes that was the exact thing that drove me nuts, no keyways (woodruff keys). The 4.6 I pulled down was the same, the 2.0 4 cyl motor used in the small cars are also the same. I bought the engine alignment tools for the 4 cylinders. But since I only did one 4.0 and one 4.6 I refused to buy the $500 alignment kit. If the chain isn't broken you can mark the living **** out of everything with marker paint and be cautious and it works out just fine with chain motors. And the whole jackshaft idea they used on that 4.0 is a major pain in the *** and also one of the dumbest things I have ever seen.


And on the spark plugs, I think you are referring to the problem they had with blowing the plugs out of the heads, that is not what I was talking about. They have a new spark plug that has a very long tip and uses a 14mm socket. When you remove them the tip breaks off and stays in the head. The rest of the plug with comes out in the socket.

I didn't say turbo (or any of that other stuff) was new, what I meant is I am glad to see Ford using turbo chargers on multiple applications as a standard now.. It's about time a domestic builder did that on gasoline engines. Smaller motor with turbo = great power and better fuel economy (if you can keep your foot out of it). However, with the way that some manufacturers are starting to disable cylinders on some of the V8 engines gives you the same result.