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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 05:23 PM
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Hey guys, I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with having potential homes inspected. I'm looking at a house right now, and the inspection was done today. There's quit a bit of stuff written on the sheet that is in need of repair. Is this normal? How many items do you guys really think is normal?

One of the entries said that something like seven windows had lost their thermal barrier capabilities. Does this mean I need new windows, or is there a way to fix that, or what? Just a little confused there.

One particular entry concerned me. It said that there was evidence the foundation had shifted in at least two areas because there was some cracking in the exterior brick. However, the inspection guy also wrote on there that he didn't feel it warranted any foundation repair and that special consideration should be paid to the maintenance of the foundation in the future.

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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 05:54 PM
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When I got my house, there were tons of things as well, but I ended up buying anyways..... just had to fix the stuff. Plus you have to pretend that you are going to fix all of it, then make a price list. If its too much over the value of the house, I say forget it.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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Yeah, I hear ya man. So it's normal for the inspection guys to write up a plethora of **** on the form. I know it's their job, I just didn't know they would find so much
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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Think of it this way. Inspection is kind of like insurance, a legal racketerring.

Basically, you could take that inspection sheet to the owners of the house and say "Lower your asking price by $X,XXX because we have to fix x,y,z". Then it's up to them to lower the price.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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Here are a list of the general probelms. Does this sound like too much?

from structural systems, 13
electrical, 3
heating, ventilation and AC, 1
plumbing, 4
appliances, 8
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 06:27 PM
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I'd take that inspection very seriously. The last thing you want to do is buy a house and then turn around and drop another 10k over the next 2 years fixing BS crap instead of UPGRADING the house. Think of this like buying a car....but much more expensive and much more expensive Would you buy a Z28 with 30 some odd problems? The imediate answer isn't NO but you've got to have a very good contracting company evaluate that estimate and get a realistic estimate against the needed repairs. I would NOT let the option period expire with a wrap sheet like that man.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 06:27 PM
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Well, don't know if the inspector is taking into account the age of the property. If it's a new house, foundation should be covered up to 10 years.

Appliances are only warranted most of the time up to three years. If you are BUYing the property, I would buy new appliances anyway.
Electrical/Plumbing/HVAC is a different story. Depending on the problems they COULD be an easy fix. Could you get a big more specific with the HVAC/Elec trica/Plumbing?
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 06:53 PM
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Losing their "thermal barrier capabilities" may be as simple as recaulking them.

As dry as it's been, a lot of homes are settling and causing the brick to crack. Call a mason and have the mortar pointed. If there are no cracks in the ceiling, there shouldn't be any serious foundation issues.

Home inspectors are bound by a set of rules and licensed by the state. They are required to report ANY and ALL findings, regardless of how small or trivial. Your inspection report should be pretty clear on where the questionable areas are and you should be able to assess the damage easy enough.

Home inspection is a great way to know if the home you are wanting is a deal or a dud ...
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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Sure! Here's the list of problems other than the foundation and window seals, which I've mentioned previously:

electirc was, no ground fault circuit interrupter protection for all recommended electrical outlets in the kitchen, wet bar, garage or the out side
living area floor outlet was not installed square with the cover and the outlet is not accessible
stairway light didn't respond to the control switch
heating, the filter is missing from the upstairs unit.
plumbing
water leak under the wet bar sink at the drain
master bath hydrospa GFCI protector was not found
cold water pressure is less than expecte at one upstairs bathroom sink
indications of electrolysis note at the water heater supply fittings evident mainly by rust and corrosion
however, no leaks are noted at this time
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kitchen disposer is jammed
microwave oven operates more noisily than expected
lower oven light did'nt respond to the control switch
doorbell didn't respond to the control switch
smoke detectors were not noted in each of the bedrooms
@least 3 of the whole house intercom system speakers didn't respond to the control *****
parts missing from one automatic garage door opener and the chain is not properly engaged
the upstairs bathroom vent duct terminates in the attic

SORRY FOR THE POOR FORMATTING! It was from a GMail chat.

The house was built in 1985, 2600sq/ft, and a decent to good neighborhood. This is $155K.

Thanks for all the advice, guys! Don't know **** about the stuff myself.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 07:13 PM
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Most of that stuff is easy to fix. I had to put in all the GFCIs in my house too-it was built about the same year. A box of 4 costs about 25. The thing on my inspection I was most concerned about was the foundation and roof. They (the sellers) gave me a check at closing to cover these costs. I am very happy they took care of the larger items. Make sure if you make an offer to buy that these items are adressed. My .02
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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electirc was, no ground fault circuit interrupter protection for all recommended electrical outlets in the kitchen, wet bar, garage or the out side

This is just a code thing. GFI circuits are for safety and IMO a little BS but I'd still want them for code compliance and for resell. Have this addressed by an licensed electrician.


living area floor outlet was not installed square with the cover and the outlet is not accessible

This is a 5 minute fix


stairway light didn't respond to the control switch

Probably a bulb, no big deal but needs to be tested


heating, the filter is missing from the upstairs unit.

It's probably missing for a reason, investigate...maybe the owner is just dumb though

plumbing
water leak under the wet bar sink at the drain

100 Dollar deal here for labor + parts max


master bath hydrospa GFCI protector was not found

When was the house built? Sounds like it was built before GFI code

cold water pressure is less than expecte at one upstairs bathroom sink
indications of electrolysis note at the water heater supply fittings evident mainly by rust and corrosion

Request a new H20 heater to be installed by Sears or HomeDepot


kitchen disposer is jammed

200 dollar deal max if you pay for labor and parts

microwave oven operates more noisily than expected

What???


lower oven light did'nt respond to the control switch

Bulb...


doorbell didn't respond to the control switch

100 bucks max

smoke detectors were not noted in each of the bedrooms

I'd get new ones that are wired in series installed but that is just me. You can do cheaper single units for less. But seller should pay.

@least 3 of the whole house intercom system speakers didn't respond to the control *****

Not sure on this, probably under 500

parts missing from one automatic garage door opener and the chain is not properly engaged

Not sure here but probably needs a new door or some major repair, 300-500

the upstairs bathroom vent duct terminates in the attic

That's just funny, that needs to be fixed before you buy it. Nothing like pumping the smell of a fresh dump all over your stored things in the attic. LOL
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 07:31 PM
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Wow, thanks a ton for that detailed report. Sounds like a lot of the stuff would be easy.

I AM concerned about the nine windows and the foundation problems noted, however.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerebrex
Wow, thanks a ton for that detailed report. Sounds like a lot of the stuff would be easy.

I AM concerned about the nine windows and the foundation problems noted, however.
It's all a pretty big deal man. Don't be lazy and get a battle plan together before you get near the end of the option period. You can always as for an extension if your quotes take longer to get together then you expected. With that many problems, I'd ask for an option period extension (for free) say add 1 week just to start with.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 08:57 PM
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Yea, all that stuff is pretty easy....where in Arlington for $155k and what school district?
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Splitz
Think of it this way. Inspection is kind of like insurance, a legal racketerring.

Basically, you could take that inspection sheet to the owners of the house and say "Lower your asking price by $X,XXX because we have to fix x,y,z". Then it's up to them to lower the price.
I agree with Splitz here to an extent (with out seeing the sheet). However, if there is ANY question of foundation issues (which need to be checked by a foundation repair company) I wouldn't buy the home. Buying a home with foundation issues with like buying a car with a salvage title, unless you're going to die in that house...it's going to be tough to move later (or very expensive to move later)
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 10:36 PM
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I had that same report regarding the windows. Im my case the house was about as old as yours and had the duel pane windows. The seal had gone bad in the window panes and they were getting foggy. It may be the same situation with yours. The seller replaced the windows for me. It not a major issue if its the same thing just looks like **** when they constantly look fogged up. I would be more on the lookout for roofing problems, foundation and major plumming/electrical.
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 12:00 AM
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Check the taxes in the area, first year in my house, taxes alone were $3200...
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The window thing COULD be a big deal. If they are double pane windows (two pieces of glass) they usually have something other than normal air between them. When the seal is broken you get normal air in there. I don't think you can even get the factory to fix them. New windows. Depending on what they are it could be a big $$$ thing there.

The bathroom vent into the attic could be an issue as well. As if we don't have enough humidity in Texas...if there is hot shower humidity dumping out that thing every day you could be looking at wood problems. Make sure the wood in the vicinity of that vent looks and feels ok.

The foundation....well, you may want to get a foundation EXPERT to look at that one. That could really be huge in the future.


My own experience with inspections is positive - they typically find things that I wouldn't even know to look for. On one house it would have cost us around $10k for a new a/c and heating system plus some water damage repair. We offered about $12k lower, with the owner having the option to fix the stuff themselves. The owners said no, they weren't going to fix it, plus they counter-offered with a HIGHER price than their ORIGINAL asking price We didn't buy that house.
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Overboosted
Check the taxes in the area, first year in my house, taxes alone were $3200...
DAmn, got my 9 month taxes due and it was almost $2900!
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Taxes on this house were nearly 5 grand. It was in north Arlington, and of course in AISD to answer the question.

I decided against the house after sleeping on it some.

The advice here really helped me with the decision. A big thanks goes out to everyone who offered insight and knowledge.

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