Texas DOT to Install Speed Cameras
Originally Posted by GusZ28
I think when ls1techers start fighting, they should race and whoever loses has to stfu for a week and whoever wins doesnt have to stfu and gets to do his/her victory dance
thats a pretty good idea though
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Pretty interesting - I remember how everyone was complaining about red light cameras and said they were going to fight them, but they went up anyway... looks like this one will go through as well.
My only question is if they use multiple cameras spread over a distance, couldn't you just slow down once you passed/saw the first camera, and then speed back up after the second camera?
My only question is if they use multiple cameras spread over a distance, couldn't you just slow down once you passed/saw the first camera, and then speed back up after the second camera?
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Originally Posted by Black_Tx_WS6
Pretty interesting - I remember how everyone was complaining about red light cameras and said they were going to fight them, but they went up anyway... looks like this one will go through as well.
My only question is if they use multiple cameras spread over a distance, couldn't you just slow down once you passed/saw the first camera, and then speed back up after the second camera?
My only question is if they use multiple cameras spread over a distance, couldn't you just slow down once you passed/saw the first camera, and then speed back up after the second camera?
There is a Camera mounted on a pole pointing in a certain direction.
There are markings on the surface of the road. The camera takes TWO pictures, one is when the car breaks the plane of the first line, then takes a 2nd shot of the moment it reaches the last line and calculates your speed based on how quicky you broke the 2nd plane.
I've only see one speed camera style, so this could be different. Not only that, in the UK, there are speed camera "notices" two miles before the actual camera, giving you the opportunity to "slow down". qwhich is basically your warning.
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Ok so does a person have to go through the pics to figure it our or is it a computer. If it is a computer how does it tell one car from another.
So lets just get a bunch of camaros and firebirds. Have one group go past the first marker then stop. Wait a given time say 15 minutes then of the second group made up of identical cars enter the first marker while the second group starts moving again so to enter into the second marker at a given time making it appear that the cars are traveling at say 200mph. Just keep doing this until they decide that the cameras are not reliable and they take them down.
and FYI UK is replacing there cameras with digital so no more running out of film.
Plus in the article if they had said that on a given highway there had been an average of say 30 accidents a year for 10 years but sense they put in the cameras there have only been 15 accidents a year that would be justifying it. But there way of justifying it is it made $200 million dollars which tells me they are not interested in saving lives only making money.
So lets just get a bunch of camaros and firebirds. Have one group go past the first marker then stop. Wait a given time say 15 minutes then of the second group made up of identical cars enter the first marker while the second group starts moving again so to enter into the second marker at a given time making it appear that the cars are traveling at say 200mph. Just keep doing this until they decide that the cameras are not reliable and they take them down.
and FYI UK is replacing there cameras with digital so no more running out of film.
Plus in the article if they had said that on a given highway there had been an average of say 30 accidents a year for 10 years but sense they put in the cameras there have only been 15 accidents a year that would be justifying it. But there way of justifying it is it made $200 million dollars which tells me they are not interested in saving lives only making money.
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Here are a few resources if you get a photo ticket; many but not all of these apply to the time-distance system Texas just started using: http://www.motorists.org/photoenforce
You can also try Texas' "Reasonable and Prudent" law if your car has huge brakes and tires, you have proof of advanced driver training, you were only 10% or 20% over the limit (will depend what road you got caught on...), etc.
Well of course cities can't be trusted to use it because they might generate half their town's income on it... but the STATE can be trusted.
Kinky wouldn't have done something so dishonest... 
Oh yeah, and even if it snaps a photo of your face, not just your license plate, so you can't claim, "Someone borrowed my car, I wasn't the one speeding," you can just wear a Darth Vader mask!
When a real, live officer pulls you over, the Darth mask is also great, especially if you put a fog machine in your car and have that Darth Vader theme song cued up in your CD player and you open the door to allow the fog to spill out onto the pavement as he approaches your car!
You can also try Texas' "Reasonable and Prudent" law if your car has huge brakes and tires, you have proof of advanced driver training, you were only 10% or 20% over the limit (will depend what road you got caught on...), etc.
Originally Posted by z28evans
"How hypocritical is that?" Marble Falls Mayor Raymond Whitman told the Daily Tribune. "I have a bit of a problem with it, not because they're using the camera, but because if it's unsafe for us to use, how can it be safe for the state to do it?"
Kinky wouldn't have done something so dishonest... Oh yeah, and even if it snaps a photo of your face, not just your license plate, so you can't claim, "Someone borrowed my car, I wasn't the one speeding," you can just wear a Darth Vader mask!
When a real, live officer pulls you over, the Darth mask is also great, especially if you put a fog machine in your car and have that Darth Vader theme song cued up in your CD player and you open the door to allow the fog to spill out onto the pavement as he approaches your car!
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These people need to come to Houston. Because people here do casually drive through red lights. Best thing that could have happened to the light at 610 and westhimer is the red light camera.
Cameras do not prevent most intersection accidents.
Intersection accidents are just that, accidents. Motorists do not casually drive through red lights. More likely, they do not see a given traffic light because they are distracted, impaired, or unfamiliar with their surroundings. Even the most flagrant of red-light violators will not drive blithely into a crowded intersection, against the light. Putting cameras on poles and taking pictures will not stop these kinds of accidents.
Intersection accidents are just that, accidents. Motorists do not casually drive through red lights. More likely, they do not see a given traffic light because they are distracted, impaired, or unfamiliar with their surroundings. Even the most flagrant of red-light violators will not drive blithely into a crowded intersection, against the light. Putting cameras on poles and taking pictures will not stop these kinds of accidents.
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Well, I have no reference for this however....from what I was told, the cities that have Red Light camera's there is a law attached to and states "A cities revenue can not exceed 10% of net revenue". Which means that they can't make more than 10% of their TOTAL income for a given year on speeding fines etc etc. If that helps?
I know that the UK is replacing their camera's with digital, but not ALL camera boxes have an actual CAMERA in them, thus the decoy to prevent speeding on certain roads (specifically the A2 in southeast London)
I know that the UK is replacing their camera's with digital, but not ALL camera boxes have an actual CAMERA in them, thus the decoy to prevent speeding on certain roads (specifically the A2 in southeast London)
Originally Posted by Splitz
Well, thank you for the personal attack. My turn!
^^ So, if everybody starts to murder people because "everybody else does it", does that make it ok?
Everybody will end up in jail.
How do you propose catching speeders? Why have a speed limit at all? AT that point, why have ANY law? Going over the speed limit is against the law, so, what you are really saying that it is OK to break the law (speeding, or insert other laws). Or, do you want an anarchy where there are NO laws and everybody just does what they want? Obviously, you don't think on that deep of a level, just your own little world. And will bitch, whine, complain, and moan when you get CAUGHT BREAKING the law. That's fine, keep breaking the law, but don't bitch when you get caught! This is just another "avenue" to catch people "breaking the law (i.e. speeding, running red lights, thieves). I don't see people bitch about 7-11's that get knocked over and they catch the criminals by using CCTV? Theft is a law as well remember.
Get off your high horse.
If you REALLY think it's only for "Fund raising" then that's your problem.
LEt me ask you something, do you VOTE? If you haven't voted, then you can't bitch about ANY decision that the cities makes because you haven't participated in the process.
Instead of complain ing about it, (like everybody else has), why don't people attemtp to come up with SOLUTIONS for the problem (i.e. speeding) instead of only complaining about it. This is a democracy, but don't expect immediate change, but it could happen.
Now, if you have voted, you need to vote that person out. Simple as that. But don't bitch, complain, whine, moan and say "Well, everybody else does it", won't go over real well. And that just shows immaturity as well. It's called owning up to your mistakes and taking responsibilites for your actions instead of "BUT SIR, HE WAS SPEEDING TOO!" or to the judge "THE CAR IN FRONT OF ME WAS SPEEDING AS WELL!" It won't matter.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for actions is what this country needs, quit trying to blame EVERYBODY else because you screw up! (i.e. Paris Hilton).
^^ So, if everybody starts to murder people because "everybody else does it", does that make it ok?
Everybody will end up in jail.
How do you propose catching speeders? Why have a speed limit at all? AT that point, why have ANY law? Going over the speed limit is against the law, so, what you are really saying that it is OK to break the law (speeding, or insert other laws). Or, do you want an anarchy where there are NO laws and everybody just does what they want? Obviously, you don't think on that deep of a level, just your own little world. And will bitch, whine, complain, and moan when you get CAUGHT BREAKING the law. That's fine, keep breaking the law, but don't bitch when you get caught! This is just another "avenue" to catch people "breaking the law (i.e. speeding, running red lights, thieves). I don't see people bitch about 7-11's that get knocked over and they catch the criminals by using CCTV? Theft is a law as well remember.
Get off your high horse.
If you REALLY think it's only for "Fund raising" then that's your problem.
LEt me ask you something, do you VOTE? If you haven't voted, then you can't bitch about ANY decision that the cities makes because you haven't participated in the process.
Instead of complain ing about it, (like everybody else has), why don't people attemtp to come up with SOLUTIONS for the problem (i.e. speeding) instead of only complaining about it. This is a democracy, but don't expect immediate change, but it could happen.
Now, if you have voted, you need to vote that person out. Simple as that. But don't bitch, complain, whine, moan and say "Well, everybody else does it", won't go over real well. And that just shows immaturity as well. It's called owning up to your mistakes and taking responsibilites for your actions instead of "BUT SIR, HE WAS SPEEDING TOO!" or to the judge "THE CAR IN FRONT OF ME WAS SPEEDING AS WELL!" It won't matter.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for actions is what this country needs, quit trying to blame EVERYBODY else because you screw up! (i.e. Paris Hilton).
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#1 I am not from the Uk, I lived there for 5 years while serving in the USAF.
#2 THEY have them, and it was fought tooth and nail like ya'll are tying to do over here, so, we can use the Red Light Camera's as an example. They are here to stay.
It's coming.....and the "public" probably can't do anything about it.
And I seriously doubt that TxDot would make the camera's 1 MPH sensetitve. That was just the CAPABILITIES of the unit of what it COULD do, it wouldn't be prudent for TXDot to make it like that. I think 10 MPH + would be a good starting point. If they did that, it would overload traffic court with people bitching about "But, I wasn't going THAT fast on purpose your honor!".
I'll say it again, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS!
#2 THEY have them, and it was fought tooth and nail like ya'll are tying to do over here, so, we can use the Red Light Camera's as an example. They are here to stay.
It's coming.....and the "public" probably can't do anything about it.
And I seriously doubt that TxDot would make the camera's 1 MPH sensetitve. That was just the CAPABILITIES of the unit of what it COULD do, it wouldn't be prudent for TXDot to make it like that. I think 10 MPH + would be a good starting point. If they did that, it would overload traffic court with people bitching about "But, I wasn't going THAT fast on purpose your honor!".
I'll say it again, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS!
Originally Posted by Splitz
ummm...that a very LEFT comment.
What does Rick Perry have to do with it? He doesn't run TxDot, it runs itself!
It's the cities that have to install them to and fund them. TxDot is only going to "test" their viability.
Think of it this way ya'll. Speed camera's will illeviate "traffic cops". So, you'll have MORE POLICE Officers out on the beat than standing on I-20 in Arlington with frickin' radar guns.
Get ya'll thumb out your *** and look at the BIG picture, not just a "Tax" or "Well, more revenue for the city".
OR:
If the camera's take over the traffic cop duties, than the police departmnet won't need as MANY officers to patrol the highways for speeders, thus decreasing city taxes to pay for the officers.
IF you are afraid of getting caught speeeding, DON"T speed, but don't bitch about HOW they will catch you if you DO DECIDE to speed!
What does Rick Perry have to do with it? He doesn't run TxDot, it runs itself!
It's the cities that have to install them to and fund them. TxDot is only going to "test" their viability.
Think of it this way ya'll. Speed camera's will illeviate "traffic cops". So, you'll have MORE POLICE Officers out on the beat than standing on I-20 in Arlington with frickin' radar guns.
Get ya'll thumb out your *** and look at the BIG picture, not just a "Tax" or "Well, more revenue for the city".
OR:
If the camera's take over the traffic cop duties, than the police departmnet won't need as MANY officers to patrol the highways for speeders, thus decreasing city taxes to pay for the officers.
IF you are afraid of getting caught speeeding, DON"T speed, but don't bitch about HOW they will catch you if you DO DECIDE to speed!
Originally Posted by Inspector12
Well I know I am a little late I am working nights, but you are trying to say that all crimes are created equal and that is not the case if some one is speeding with in reason (which a actual police officer can make that decision a camera can't.) IE: Going with the flow of trafic etc... And me going 100+ just to see if the car can do it etc... You get my point I would deffinately deserve a ticket. But what you are saying is that if a guy is doing 1 MPH over the limit he is just as guilty as the guy going 30 MPH over the limit and well while they are both technicly breaking the law one may not have know cause he is watching the road and generally going with the flow of traffic and not staring at his speedo, while I was out trying to break a new land speed reacord and could possible kill someone in the process! Do you see the difference cause you and I can. And these camera's will not distinguish the difference we are both going to get tickets, but neither of us will get to pay them cause I ran into the guy who was just driving normally and killed him. Now how is a camera going to stop that??? A real cop could have potientally stopped me and the camera couldn't do anything but make some money for the city /State. So we are all entitled to our opinions I just don't agree with yours whats so ever and if you liked the damn camera's so much why don't you go back to the UK! We just keep accepting what other countries are doing as the right thing and I think we need to do our own thing. I do vote, but the politicians all lie and it is proven time and time again. And Txdot isn't controlled by who you voted for as it was already stated above. Another issue is knowing. They don't advertise these new chicken **** law or ideas they are too busy telling us how many of our brave soilders died to protect the freedoms we are having taken away right here in the states! Sorry I was ranting and sorry if you thought it was a personal attack. This stuff really gets me pissed off!!!!!!