2013 Ford Shelby GT500 delivers 650 HP and 200 MPH straight from the factory
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...not even the same thing. All Shelby does is badge, number and put spoilers on using all the equipment ford gave them to make it a "Shelby " its really an Svt but the name Shelby sells for a premium if they sold it as a Svt cobra it would be 10k cheaper. So to answer your question its more of a ss vs z28 deal and nothing more.
No, the car would not have MSRP'd lower had the Shelby name not been added. In fact, the car was already engineered before Shelby and Ford renewed their relationship. The timing was great and it was a brilliant marketing move on Ford's part to badge the new SVT car a Shelby versus a Cobra. Granted, with the Shelby name came a higher demand and, therefore, ridiculous dealer markups, but the MSRP was not based on simply having Shelby on the decklid.
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This isn't the '60's. The modern GT500 is built entirely by Ford on the same assembly line as the base and GT Mustangs. They are not sent to Shelby for modification not is any part of them engineered by Shelby. The Cobra emblem has been owned by Ford since they and Shelby first parted ways in 1970, and has been used on various models in the past including the '03-'04 Cobras.
No, the car would not have MSRP'd lower had the Shelby name not been added. In fact, the car was already engineered before Shelby and Ford renewed their relationship. The timing was great and it was a brilliant marketing move on Ford's part to badge the new SVT car a Shelby versus a Cobra. Granted, with the Shelby name came a higher demand and, therefore, ridiculous dealer markups, but the MSRP was not based on simply having Shelby on the decklid.
No, the car would not have MSRP'd lower had the Shelby name not been added. In fact, the car was already engineered before Shelby and Ford renewed their relationship. The timing was great and it was a brilliant marketing move on Ford's part to badge the new SVT car a Shelby versus a Cobra. Granted, with the Shelby name came a higher demand and, therefore, ridiculous dealer markups, but the MSRP was not based on simply having Shelby on the decklid.
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Neiman-Marcus collaborated with GM to put their name on some new Camaro's. Do you think they had any input at all in the engineering of the car?
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I think that's a pretty fair assertion. Does anyone really think Carroll did anything other than to serve as a consultant on the car? You have to remember, SVT had already designed and developed the car well before Shelby and Ford made up. The car was referred to internally as "Condor" and certainly would have been the next SVT Cobra had the Shelby not been struck.
Neiman-Marcus collaborated with GM to put their name on some new Camaro's. Do you think they had any input at all in the engineering of the car?
Neiman-Marcus collaborated with GM to put their name on some new Camaro's. Do you think they had any input at all in the engineering of the car?
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I think that's a pretty fair assertion. Does anyone really think Carroll did anything other than to serve as a consultant on the car? You have to remember, SVT had already designed and developed the car well before Shelby and Ford made up. The car was referred to internally as "Condor" and certainly would have been the next SVT Cobra had the Shelby not been struck.
Neiman-Marcus collaborated with GM to put their name on some new Camaro's. Do you think they had any input at all in the engineering of the car?
Neiman-Marcus collaborated with GM to put their name on some new Camaro's. Do you think they had any input at all in the engineering of the car?
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And here is a quick refresher on what the word collaborate means:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collaborate
Numbers 1 and 3 most closely define the Ford/Shelby relationship when it comes to the GT500.
Thanks for playing, but you lose the debate.
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Three posts on the subject tells me you do care. And, btw, it must be you care somewhat, otherwise, how could you have room to care less? (Just in case you don't get it, the phrase you were looking for was "I couldn't careless...)![Winky](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_wink.gif)
And here is a quick refresher on what the word collaborate means:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collaborate
Numbers 1 and 3 most closely define the Ford/Shelby relationship when it comes to the GT500.
Thanks for playing, but you lose the debate.
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And here is a quick refresher on what the word collaborate means:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collaborate
Numbers 1 and 3 most closely define the Ford/Shelby relationship when it comes to the GT500.
Thanks for playing, but you lose the debate.
For starters, Mr. English major, it is "care less".
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You misinterpret my intent. Yes, I do not care about Shelby's level of involvement, which I stated. But, I do care about the TRUTH. You provided unsubstantiated claims parading as fact that appear to be your opinion. Your own statements support this, relying on general agreement, logic, yet no facts. You could be correct about Shelby/Ford, but you provided nothing to support it.
Welcome to the no bullshit Western Members area. Please remove your shoes before entering because you're already ankle-deep in it.
Since I challenged you, you changed your statement from him having no involvement to acknowledging "collaboration". By the definition you posted, you can read that it means "to work together".
In addition, even though this is minor, if Shelby cashed a check (which you agreed he did), do you think it would not change the MSRP of the vehicle? I could be wrong, I'm relying on your fact-creation method, but that cost has to be applied somewhere.
Instead of posting definitions, try posting facts.
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Better luck next time.
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Despite this not being a debate because I was not arguing one way or another (read here http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/debate), you make it too easy...
For starters, Mr. English major, it is "care less".
Watch out, your glass house is crumbling.
You misinterpret my intent. Yes, I do not care about Shelby's level of involvement, which I stated. But, I do care about the TRUTH. You provided unsubstantiated claims parading as fact that appear to be your opinion. Your own statements support this, relying on general agreement, logic, yet no facts. You could be correct about Shelby/Ford, but you provided nothing to support it.
Welcome to the no bullshit Western Members area. Please remove your shoes before entering because you're already ankle-deep in it.
Since I challenged you, you changed your statement from him having no involvement to acknowledging "collaboration". By the definition you posted, you can read that it means "to work together".
In addition, even though this is minor, if Shelby cashed a check (which you agreed he did), do you think it would not change the MSRP of the vehicle? I could be wrong, I'm relying on your fact-creation method, but that cost has to be applied somewhere.
Instead of posting definitions, try posting facts.![The Jester](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_jest.gif)
Better luck next time.
For starters, Mr. English major, it is "care less".
![Winky](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_wink.gif)
You misinterpret my intent. Yes, I do not care about Shelby's level of involvement, which I stated. But, I do care about the TRUTH. You provided unsubstantiated claims parading as fact that appear to be your opinion. Your own statements support this, relying on general agreement, logic, yet no facts. You could be correct about Shelby/Ford, but you provided nothing to support it.
Welcome to the no bullshit Western Members area. Please remove your shoes before entering because you're already ankle-deep in it.
Since I challenged you, you changed your statement from him having no involvement to acknowledging "collaboration". By the definition you posted, you can read that it means "to work together".
In addition, even though this is minor, if Shelby cashed a check (which you agreed he did), do you think it would not change the MSRP of the vehicle? I could be wrong, I'm relying on your fact-creation method, but that cost has to be applied somewhere.
Instead of posting definitions, try posting facts.
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Better luck next time.
I learned a long time ago that one must "make it easy" when interacting on the Internet with some participants, otherwise there could be long delays in getting a response.
I went back and looked at my posts, but I'm still missing the part where I suggested Shelby had no involvement with the GT500. In order for me to change a statement, wouldn't I need to have stated something definitively in the first place?
Welcome to the no bullshit Western Members area. Please remove your shoes before entering because you're already ankle-deep in it.
Obviously, I've hit a nerve with you and you've gotten mad. Sorry about that, I was only trying to point out that the GT500 is built entirely by Ford and employees of Shelby American never touch them.
And while there is the possibility that some portion of the GT500's MSRP includes an amount to help pad Mr. Shelby's pocket, the idea that the amount is $10K over what it might have been without his collaboration is laughable. Oh, but I can't back that up with a fact, so never mind using common sense. Do they have that in the Western Members area?
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They say 3850 lbs, but no official weight or price has been released yet. And no, you won't go out an buy a C6 Z06 or you'd already own one.
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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...d-barrier.html
Ford what??
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I would ask you to elaborate but you've already made yourself look foolish enough
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For example:
They are not sent to Shelby for modification not is any part of them engineered by Shelby.
No, the car would not have MSRP'd lower had the Shelby name not been added. In fact, the car was already engineered before Shelby and Ford renewed their relationship. The timing was great and it was a brilliant marketing move on Ford's part to badge the new SVT car a Shelby versus a Cobra. Granted, with the Shelby name came a higher demand and, therefore, ridiculous dealer markups, but the MSRP was not based on simply having Shelby on the decklid.
No, the car would not have MSRP'd lower had the Shelby name not been added. In fact, the car was already engineered before Shelby and Ford renewed their relationship. The timing was great and it was a brilliant marketing move on Ford's part to badge the new SVT car a Shelby versus a Cobra. Granted, with the Shelby name came a higher demand and, therefore, ridiculous dealer markups, but the MSRP was not based on simply having Shelby on the decklid.
I think that's a pretty fair assertion. Does anyone really think Carroll did anything other than to serve as a consultant on the car? You have to remember, SVT had already designed and developed the car well before Shelby and Ford made up. The car was referred to internally as "Condor" and certainly would have been the next SVT Cobra had the Shelby not been struck.
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Let's continue...
Answer: I do not recall hearing it before, I am sure someone has said something similar, but it is far from my best. I create and take responsibility for my own lines. And no, I don't give lessons.
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And while there is the possibility that some portion of the GT500's MSRP includes an amount to help pad Mr. Shelby's pocket, the idea that the amount is $10K over what it might have been without his collaboration is laughable. Oh, but I can't back that up with a fact, so never mind using common sense. Do they have that in the Western Members area?
First you say:
Despite the flaws, I admire your attempt.
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Then again, I guess I should have expected that from someone who calls himself BigDaddy. Feel free to PM me if you want to continue but somehow I think you won't, as that would not allow you the opportunity to look big in front of all your friends.