Newbie looking to get first WU8.
Newbie looking to get first WU8. I have my eyes on a Black on Black 2000 SLP Camaro SS M6 with 140k miles.
Clean title
He is the third owner and I ran the VIN.
It scored, from a scale of 25-55, a 67 with AutoCheck.
0 accidents.
The paint looks almost brand new.
Leather interior that is very very nice, no tears at all (except for maybe the T bar cloth?).
T-Tops with no leaks.
CONS:
Rack & pinion leaks some PS fluid due to a torn boot.
AC needs refill, working compressor but air isn't that cold.
Questions:
He has it posted up for $6500, the lowest he will let it go for is $6,000. KBB has it at $5900-$6400 from Good to Excellent with 140k miles. Do you guys think $6000 is a good price for it? I know it's a personal decision I just want to see what the rest of you guys think.
What should I look for when I go look at it?
I've test drove one before and the ride was rather rough (as in felt bumpy), how should these cars feel like when you drive them at a good condition? Do these cars make a lot of cabin noise? The one I test drove made quite some cabin noise.
I will put up some pics for better judgment.
EDIT: Also, what exhaust is this? I know it's probably hard to tell from the angle. Making me doubt that it is an SLP equipped car, I will make sure to check the door panel.
Clean title
He is the third owner and I ran the VIN.
It scored, from a scale of 25-55, a 67 with AutoCheck.
0 accidents.
The paint looks almost brand new.
Leather interior that is very very nice, no tears at all (except for maybe the T bar cloth?).
T-Tops with no leaks.
CONS:
Rack & pinion leaks some PS fluid due to a torn boot.
AC needs refill, working compressor but air isn't that cold.
Questions:
He has it posted up for $6500, the lowest he will let it go for is $6,000. KBB has it at $5900-$6400 from Good to Excellent with 140k miles. Do you guys think $6000 is a good price for it? I know it's a personal decision I just want to see what the rest of you guys think.
What should I look for when I go look at it?
I've test drove one before and the ride was rather rough (as in felt bumpy), how should these cars feel like when you drive them at a good condition? Do these cars make a lot of cabin noise? The one I test drove made quite some cabin noise.
I will put up some pics for better judgment.
EDIT: Also, what exhaust is this? I know it's probably hard to tell from the angle. Making me doubt that it is an SLP equipped car, I will make sure to check the door panel.
Last edited by peterWU8; Nov 15, 2013 at 01:55 AM.
Is it the color you want? I would do 6k for a color I really wanted....I am not a huge fan of black so I would try a little lower on price. If it were SOM, White, or Red, I would be all over it.
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From: Schiller Park, ILL Member: #317
Either way, you can't go by any of that to determine whether or not it's a real SS. All that matters in this regard is what's on that door sticker, meaning the "WU8" RPO code. Every single original 4th gen SS was done by SLP, and if it says "WU8" on the SPID sticker then it is certainly an original SS.
Be very cautious of people selling cars that the A/C doesn't work! Make sure the A/C belt is on and that the compressor will activate with the HVAC and actually work. Had a guy try to screw me over with a seized compressor!
The door does have the WU8 RPO code on it. I just need to find out if it was fully equipped when new. He's telling me it came equipped with the air lid. Also I understand the wheels are painted black, but I have a local person in town with the solid 5 spoke SS wheels for sale for cheap that I might use instead. And black is the color I'm aiming for so I am hoping this car will turn out as good as it seems. No real judgment until I get to see it in person.
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From: Schiller Park, ILL Member: #317
As for the air lid, what's in that picture is NOT the optional air lid that *could* have been ordered on a new SS as part of the "345hp package". The optional lid was a Blackwing, and this wasn't even an option in model year 2000, so that car didn't come with one. What's in your picture is the same lid that anyone can buy online from SLP. The Blackwing is visually different, and can be easily distinguished from the aftermarket version that's in your picture. (you can do a search for pictures of this)
FYI. There should be another sticker on the passneger side door jamb that lists any SLP options added under the Y2Y RPO. If that sticker is not readable, you can contact SLP with the VIN number and get a list of any optional content.
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Well it does say Y2Y on it. Not really sure how to break it down, like I said I am a newbie so forgive me.
Not sure what all those code means I just know WU8 is a real SS and Y2Y is SLP. But does having Y2Y mean the car came equipped with all SLP options? Again sorry for being so blunt I will do some read up when I have time.
Here is a picture of the door jam though.
Not sure what all those code means I just know WU8 is a real SS and Y2Y is SLP. But does having Y2Y mean the car came equipped with all SLP options? Again sorry for being so blunt I will do some read up when I have time.
Here is a picture of the door jam though.
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Looks decently clean, but it's only worth $6000 if the rack wasn't leaking and the A/C worked. Looks like it needs a new headliner, who knows what those wheels look like under that paint, and what may have been hacked or goofy with mods. I state the latter because you have a guy saying he's got a factory lid when, just like RPM stated, is not stock. So, if he doesn't know something that basic, then what else might he not know?
Don't fret if you see a second sticker from SLP that isn't legible. For whatever reason, the SLP stickers faded quite quickly. My 2000 SS had only 12k miles when I bought it and the sticker was fading. Another thing about Y2Y is that sometime in 2000, SLP started putting Y2Y on all cars because people would want to add SLP options at the last minute, and unless Y2Y was specified when the initial order was placed then it wasn't possible to add the options.
edit: ALL SS's were converted by SLP. Every. Single. One. There is no special "SLP edition" or "SLP package." People don't say "ASC Trans Am WS6" for instance
Some people ordered extra options from SLP, but that just means they added extra options to a base SS. Nothing more. Also keep in mind (now starting to split hairs) that WU8 is simply an option itself -- the car is a Z28 with a SS option. No different than a Z28 with optional leather. SS was not technically it's own model during its 4th gen tenure.
Oh, and that exhaust is pretty much impossible to tell what it is from that angle, but based on the tips it's likely either a SLP Loudmouth or Flowmaster.
edit: ALL SS's were converted by SLP. Every. Single. One. There is no special "SLP edition" or "SLP package." People don't say "ASC Trans Am WS6" for instance
Some people ordered extra options from SLP, but that just means they added extra options to a base SS. Nothing more. Also keep in mind (now starting to split hairs) that WU8 is simply an option itself -- the car is a Z28 with a SS option. No different than a Z28 with optional leather. SS was not technically it's own model during its 4th gen tenure.Oh, and that exhaust is pretty much impossible to tell what it is from that angle, but based on the tips it's likely either a SLP Loudmouth or Flowmaster.
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Agree, but it's not just a matter of the compressor being seized. They can wear out to where they won't hold pressure and although they will switch on, they won't blow cold. Replacement is a $1000+ job unless you're a competent A/C guy.
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Make sure the compressor is working correctly. Like others said, it's an expensive job to have done. I'm not saying high mileage is bad but for performance cars like these, it's questionable. I'd go with lower miles, but if that's out of your budget it might be out of the question. Also I'd be skeptical of the owner. Like Demonspeed said, if he doesn't know something basic like a lid who knows what else he doesn't have a clue about. For all you know he could just be repeating what the previous owner told him. He also doesn't know what kind of exhaust it is, so that raises questions as well.
As far as the cabin noise and ride, these cars are like that. It's something you'll have to get used to. My Trans Am (although not the same car, they are similar) only has 49k miles on it and it's somewhat loud inside and the ride isn't the most comfortable. But comfort isn't the reason you are buying one of these is it?
In the end, if the car meets your expectations and you are fine with doing a couple repairs after buying it then it shouldn't be bad. Just make sure you aren't buying something that isn't what it's advertised as. A lot of people misrepresent the vehicles they're selling, so just make sure you know what you're getting into.
As far as the cabin noise and ride, these cars are like that. It's something you'll have to get used to. My Trans Am (although not the same car, they are similar) only has 49k miles on it and it's somewhat loud inside and the ride isn't the most comfortable. But comfort isn't the reason you are buying one of these is it?
In the end, if the car meets your expectations and you are fine with doing a couple repairs after buying it then it shouldn't be bad. Just make sure you aren't buying something that isn't what it's advertised as. A lot of people misrepresent the vehicles they're selling, so just make sure you know what you're getting into.
OP I would offer him 5K. Take it or leave it. If he says no, look for a cleaner car, maybe even a Z28 they are all basically the same car. I bought a 98 Z28 last year with some minor issues and 159K for 2200$. Deals are out there, if you're going to buy something that needs work, make sure to get it cheap.