Billet Specialties Street Lite Direct Fit 15x10 rear Is avail for Shipping in 2 weeks
07-12-2008, 07:11 PM
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Bogarts aren't a street wheel. for that matter, neither are prostars and the like. yes, thousands of people run them on the street with success, but it's not wise. i've watched tires get mounted on a brand new set of bogarts, and watched the hoop bend/ripple on the mounting machine because they are so thin, hence the "track use only" warning.
the billet specialties wheels are welded 100% around and thicker to accomodate street usage, hence the added cost. Bogarts to Street Lites is NOT an apples to apples comparison.
the billet specialties wheels are welded 100% around and thicker to accomodate street usage, hence the added cost. Bogarts to Street Lites is NOT an apples to apples comparison.
07-12-2008, 07:15 PM
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Did I say my car was a street car? Why would you put 15" wheels on a 4th gen unless it was to put a better tire for traction? or to save weight?
Apples to apples!
Orange apples will give you a tummy ache.
Doug
Apples to apples!
Orange apples will give you a tummy ache.
Doug
07-12-2008, 09:07 PM
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Bogarts are unsafe for street use. And I don't care if anybody's car is a street car or NOT, so save the stupid fruit analogies for another board- THESE wheels ARE made for street/strip use, and it's about damn time one of these wheel companies finally stepped up and made us a wheel that fits correctly without having to grind the freaking calipers.
07-12-2008, 09:17 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^So why screw us by charging 75.00 more per wheel than the same size for a mustang.
That bs about a different hoop costing 75.00 more PER WHEEL. Even if it were a casting that cost more to build, still 75.00? Being as they are billet it is just a cnc program. No way I spend 320.00 for a wheel that cost 245.00 for the same size for a mustang.
Also welds are not for street ues but that does'nt stop any body, Some bogarts are streetable!
I will never buy these wheels no matter how good they look.
WE CHARGE MORE BECAUSE WE CAN! additude is what loses customers.
I understand why bogarts cost more, because they are custom made to order per car. These are mass produced. Sorry I just think they are trying to rip us off.
Just my opinion. Like it or dont but dont hate.
Doug
That bs about a different hoop costing 75.00 more PER WHEEL. Even if it were a casting that cost more to build, still 75.00? Being as they are billet it is just a cnc program. No way I spend 320.00 for a wheel that cost 245.00 for the same size for a mustang.
Also welds are not for street ues but that does'nt stop any body, Some bogarts are streetable!
I will never buy these wheels no matter how good they look.
WE CHARGE MORE BECAUSE WE CAN! additude is what loses customers.
I understand why bogarts cost more, because they are custom made to order per car. These are mass produced. Sorry I just think they are trying to rip us off.
Just my opinion. Like it or dont but dont hate.
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07-12-2008, 09:25 PM
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Its not a charge more then you can, I think you are WAYYYYYY misinformed.
these wheels ARE NOT MASS Produced By the TONS.
this is a Specialty wheel designed Specifically for the brakes on these Cars.
This is a Standard Hoop.
This is the Ls1 Hoop
Do you see a difference there?????
And yes the Center is CNC. And a different forging to allow for some added caliper clearance that was needed on the pad. The Hoop is where the Biggest Problem is as the Dropcenter of the Standard wheel is where the caliper clearance needed to be, since the ls1/lt1 cars came with 16" wheels Stock.
P.S. watch jegs pricing Start to go up since everyone was given a price increase, as the cost of aluminum has gone up.
these wheels ARE NOT MASS Produced By the TONS.
this is a Specialty wheel designed Specifically for the brakes on these Cars.
This is a Standard Hoop.
This is the Ls1 Hoop
Do you see a difference there?????
And yes the Center is CNC. And a different forging to allow for some added caliper clearance that was needed on the pad. The Hoop is where the Biggest Problem is as the Dropcenter of the Standard wheel is where the caliper clearance needed to be, since the ls1/lt1 cars came with 16" wheels Stock.
P.S. watch jegs pricing Start to go up since everyone was given a price increase, as the cost of aluminum has gone up.
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07-12-2008, 09:30 PM
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Yeah just make them all like that and dont worry about the others because if it will fit ls1 brakes it will fit any other cars 
So why make both when you can just make one. I have always been 100% fan of these wheels and still am, but raising the price that much more is going to hurt sale's. But you do have people that think your car will blow up if you grind your calipers a little 
so im sure they will pay the price for them. 
Hell i can buy 2 sets of greg welds or or summit stars for the price of those
So why make both when you can just make one. I have always been 100% fan of these wheels and still am, but raising the price that much more is going to hurt sale's. But you do have people that think your car will blow up if you grind your calipers a little so im sure they will pay the price for them. Hell i can buy 2 sets of greg welds or or summit stars for the price of those
07-12-2008, 09:54 PM
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Its not a charge more then you can, I think you are WAYYYYYY misinformed.
these wheels ARE NOT MASS Produced By the TONS.
this is a Specialty wheel designed Specifically for the brakes on these Cars.
This is a Standard Hoop.
This is the Ls1 Hoop
Do you see a difference there?????
And yes the Center is CNC. And a different forging to allow for some added caliper clearance that was needed on the pad. The Hoop is where the Biggest Problem is as the Dropcenter of the Standard wheel is where the caliper clearance needed to be, since the ls1/lt1 cars came with 16" wheels Stock.
P.S. watch jegs pricing Start to go up since everyone was given a price increase, as the cost of aluminum has gone up.
these wheels ARE NOT MASS Produced By the TONS.
this is a Specialty wheel designed Specifically for the brakes on these Cars.
This is a Standard Hoop.
This is the Ls1 Hoop
Do you see a difference there?????
And yes the Center is CNC. And a different forging to allow for some added caliper clearance that was needed on the pad. The Hoop is where the Biggest Problem is as the Dropcenter of the Standard wheel is where the caliper clearance needed to be, since the ls1/lt1 cars came with 16" wheels Stock.
P.S. watch jegs pricing Start to go up since everyone was given a price increase, as the cost of aluminum has gone up.
Well i will apologize to you when I see the price in my jegs catalog say 319.00 ea. There is not 20.00s difference between the 15x3.5s and the 15x12s so saying they are 75.00 more per wheel because the hoop is different is hard for me, and I'll bet a lot of others to beleive.
Yes the hoop looks different but so what, It still came from the same ingot of billet and the same cnc machine.
Sorry man I just dont buy it. And I wont.
07-12-2008, 09:58 PM
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I think your not understanding.
This fitment is Only useable in a 7.5" backspace. So making 1 is not going to work as that is what the problem was from the beginning. The standard 10" hoop would not work. This revised hoop will not do any other BS expect 7.5. It was and is Designed Specifically for the F-body brakes.
This fitment is Only useable in a 7.5" backspace. So making 1 is not going to work as that is what the problem was from the beginning. The standard 10" hoop would not work. This revised hoop will not do any other BS expect 7.5. It was and is Designed Specifically for the F-body brakes.
07-12-2008, 10:14 PM
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I GET IT. You dont get what I'm saying. you stated earlier you thought there would be more interest! I just answered it. 75.00 more per wheel. Your not gonna sell as many w/ your fbody upcharge.
07-12-2008, 10:37 PM
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Thats $300 more per set...that is quite alot but then again it is a very specific item..only fits one type of car so maybe thats why its $75 more each wheel...if you were a company that makes a ton of wheels imagie making a new wheels that only fits ONE application...that would suck. Either way aside from price and everything else, i love the wheels!! good luck with sales
07-12-2008, 10:46 PM
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we can not set a price on the front as of yet Since they are not in production. With the front wheel, that could possibly stay the same pricing as you really only offer a 15x3.5 with 1 offset. So that could be a revised Standard wheel where it will be all the fronts will have the same clearance which could possibly even give us a greater flexibility in working with Bigger aftermarket brakes as well. Where as This wheel is only used in a 7.5"Bs only application specific to the F bodies.
Due to that wheel not released yett and still being worked on, i can not say or comment on that pricing.
Fenix thank you for understanding and kind words.
Due to that wheel not released yett and still being worked on, i can not say or comment on that pricing.
Fenix thank you for understanding and kind words.
07-13-2008, 12:21 PM
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From what I can see in the picture that you posted, the LS1 specific hoop is a two piece design that has a secondary operation of welding the 2 pieces together. Finding somebody to do that kind of welding for less than $75 isn't going to happen. I think the price increase is justified. Love the wheels .I have the original design on my 01 SS. Good Luck.
07-13-2008, 12:31 PM
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From what I can see in the picture that you posted, the LS1 specific hoop is a two piece design that has a secondary operation of welding the 2 pieces together. Finding somebody to do that kind of welding for less than $75 isn't going to happen. I think the price increase is justified. Love the wheels .I have the original design on my 01 SS. Good Luck.
And where are the pics of them mounted on a fbody?
07-13-2008, 01:28 PM
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nice to see they finally fit and that you have pics to prove so, but with the price looks like ill be running the set up i have now for awhile yet. nice looking wheels, would like to see the fronts too when they are ready.
07-13-2008, 01:32 PM
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AND whether it's human-welded, or done by robotics, NEITHER are free. Argon and CO2, ALUMINUM ROD/WIRE, setup/teardown time, added inspection process, consumables like wire/tips/liners/circuitry....when you REALLY sit down and look at what these wheels cost to make, $75 is NOT in any way overpriced.
i'm not a sales rep, i'm not trying to change your mind, but these wheels are EXACTLY what the LSx/LTx community has been waiting for. they are going to be in high demand and on backorder as soon as they are released i'm sure.
nothing wrong with Bogart's, nothing wrong with Jeg's/Summit's Prostars, or Weld's, or Centerline's, etc...but i'll pay the $75/wheel to not spend an afternoon compromising my brakes' structural integrity, whether there's any REAL danger in caliper grinding or not...
07-13-2008, 03:40 PM
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Nice wheels, and for $100 over a rotten *** prostar that fits with out grinding is a good deal for me. Everybody complains about having to grind the brakes so now you dont , but $75 extra for a perfect fitting awsome looking wheel is to much to pay??? i sugest you get a new hobby. Dragwheelz do you happen to have any pics on any f-bodies so we can see what they look like and how the clearance is?? thanks for all you info and time.
07-13-2008, 05:10 PM
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Nice wheels, and for $100 over a rotten *** prostar that fits with out grinding is a good deal for me. Everybody complains about having to grind the brakes so now you dont , but $75 extra for a perfect fitting awsome looking wheel is to much to pay??? i sugest you get a new hobby. Dragwheelz do you happen to have any pics on any f-bodies so we can see what they look like and how the clearance is?? thanks for all you info and time.