And when I get some extra $$ thats not going into the performance of my car...I plan on doing Projector retros using the TSX projectors, but for now, I am happy with my lighting!


Trust me pal, here in Colo, you will get flashed just for having your High Beams on...or no headlights at all on! I'm just stating that compared to when I was running stock halogens, I never get flashed...and even having my wife tell me when we're in separate vehicles if they are blinding...and she says NO!
Plus, I agree with Cobrahunter on muttering *******!


Driving here in Colo, you see a fair amount of deer that just dart right out onto the highways! They may not exist or is prevalent where you are...but here they are!

Wow, Thats like saying "I don't care about how loud my car is, as long as I have my catback and LT's, and Cutouts etc...." Maybe one day your neighbor will get tired of listening to you start up your car and decide to shoot you!


I'm not going to sit here and continue to argue points! People are going to do with their cars as they see fit and how they like to! Plain and simply! You believe its a waste to go the route I have gone, but I see it differently!


-Justin

 

Actually, by law there is NO right way to do so here in PA, unless your vehicle came with them from the factory because you cannot modify your factory headlamps in any way other than replacing bulbs. If you don't believe me on this I can look it up the vehicle code and show you.
I agree that projectors are the best way to go, but for some people it is impossible, such as us with LT1 Camaros.
I have HID's in the stock housings of my Regal which has a mod similar to a whistler done to the lights which reduces glare. Having HIDs in a regular housing does produce more glare than a projector, but it is not NEARLY as bad as lifted trucks or SUVs whose headlights are at eye level or above those of us who drive cars as long as it is done with some discretion as to where to aim the lights.

 

I'd just like to weigh in on a few points.

* dragonrage & Whitebird are right. Installing HID in Halogen Reflectors is the wrong way to do it. Then again, most people on this site don't care that they are doing harm to others. When someone comes towards me with that setup, I literally slow down, try to focus to the right to make it by due to the blinding glare reducing my vision's effective distance.

* Go for the FX-R projectors instead of TSX if you can fit it. The FX-R has a better beam and is bi-xenon (meaning hi/lo in one projector). The price is similar and its not much larger. The FX-R should fit in the LS1 Camaro housings.

* You can put projectors on the LT1 Camaro. Check out the Lighting FAQ. Just to further the point that you can replace sealed beam housings with projectors. I've done it. Also, many others have also done it with better projectors than what I used. You can check out the Lighting FAQ on here or the Forums at HID Planet.

* EsCrasston is correct by extension that installing HID in any vehicle that didn't come equipped with it from the factory is illegal. That is Federal law. But there are different levels of illegality here. The difference here is that HID in HID projectors will give you the best output, won't bother others any more than factory lighting, and generally go unnoticed by police and inspectors as long as you make it look factory.

 

I apologize about that. Some of us, including myself, aren't big fans of the Hella or PIAA style projectors in the LT1 Camaro. (no offense to anyone that has it done) What I meant is that there is no option for putting a projector into the LT1 style housing.

 

Much easier than everyone makes it out to be:

$50 HID kit from DDM Tuning, 10 min install, the road appears!

 

Those aren't the only two options and the PIAA projectors are fog lights anyway so they aren't a good option. I've seen LS1 Camaro Headlights retrofitted into LT1 Camaros and I've seen 90's BMW headlights retrofitted into 3rd-gen Camaros. If I remember correctly, those are in the Lighting FAQ too.

 

Arguing about the legality of lighting seems funny on a site that boasts hoards of cars that run illegal emission systems.

"I find your lights annoying and did you know that they're illegal?"

"Yeah, well, I think your exhaust is loud and obnoxious and did you know your cat-less exhaust with the cut outs is illegal?"

While I get that the light issue could lead to a accident (remote but, possible)
I find arguing the legality to be downright amusing. Especially when scrolling though posts I read about guys with loud exhausts and how much the neighbors hate them but they don't care. For the record I find Harleys to be the most annoying things on the road. They disturb the peace with a "don't give a ****" attitude in the name of so-called safety. That being heard makes them less likely to be hit. That's not a reason to be obnoxious yet police typically turn a blind eye to it. Especially in Pennsylvania (I lived there for a year.) Can't even enjoy a damn T.V. show due to it being drowned out by loud bikes. And the stock lighting is HORRIBLE on a Firebird. And only barely better on a Camaro. So what pray tell are we to do? Suffer? Lobby the government to allow a safe headlight upgrade program? As long as there is a want, someone will make a product. Legal or not. I don't think anyone wishes a accident on anyone else, I hope for a affordable, safe and reliable lighting alternative. And I am one of those that plans a HID upgrade for my WS6. Sealed beams on a car that came out well after HIDs were offered on other models is a joke. At least they could have given us simple bulbs to deal with.

 

 

There really is no argument about the legality of these HID conversions - they're illegal to use and to sell under federal law. But that is not the point we're trying to make. Pointing out that a modification is illegal is unlikely to make any difference to those who are planning to buy them. What we want to emphasize is that they can be dangerous - to others and even to the driver using them. Drivers you pass only have to put up with the glare for a few moments. The driver is looking into that glare all the time. Improper HID lights (including those with too much blue) actually reduce your night vision and make it more difficult to see non-reflective objects at a distance.

There are plenty of things that people do that are illegal (such as modifying exhaust) but don't present a danger to others. You won't see much argument about those although I agree that an obnoxious exhaust can be very annoying. But there are other things that are safety related: blinding lights, modifying head units to watch DVDs while driving, texting while driving, street racing in traffic, driving under the influence. I don't care what you do until it affects my safety or the safety of my friends and family.

Despite being illegal, there is a correct way to upgrade to HIDs that won't cause glare - that is to retrofit proper HID projectors. Yes, it's more expensive and it takes more time than just popping in some bulbs and connecting a ballast but the results are better for everyone.

BTW, I agree with you 100% about obnoxious motorcycle exhaust. Anybody who says "loud pipes save lives" is a fool. More than three quarters of motorcycle accidents happen in front of the bike and are primarily caused by another vehicle encroaching on the bike's right of way. Yet the obnoxious noise is behind the bike - where it only servers to annoy people behind them.

 

You are missing the point!

And you other guys are correct. Along with loud exhausts, illegal emissions, window tint, lowering, etc. Just because something illegal doesn't mean people aren't going to do it. But if you are going to argue about one aspect of something being illegal (in this case, putting hids into halogen housings), you should point out that retrofitting a projector is illegal as well. I disagree when it was said about different levels of illegality as well, mainly because the fine and punishment would most likely be the same for both cases.

 

No, YOU are missing the point. Our point is NOT that it's illegal. Our point is that it's DANGEROUS and it HAPPENS to be illegal. Retrofitting is illegal but you're FAR less likely to get nailed for it. Besides, the lighting quality with these kits is horrendous.

Loud exhaust annoys me, too. But it's not dangerous to me.

 

My point is that there is no way to retro fit a projector housing into an LT1 Camaro while maintaining a somewhat-factory appearance. Some of us DO NOT want to completely change the look of the front end of our car just to have HID's.

Driving fast is dangerous and illegal too, does that mean you are against that? I highly doubt it.

 

Driving fast is dangerous in some circumstances and I only do it when it's safe. But with your HID kits, you either have them on when it's dark or you go without lights. Neither are safe, so the only safe way is to not drive in the dark. Completely different circumstances.

F-body headlights look disgusting anyway, so what's it matter?

 

You are entitled to your own opinion, but its neither here nor there. It doesn't matter what you think about f-body headlights, fact is what I said about incorporating projectors into an LT1 Camaro WITHOUT changing the factory appearance much is impossible. Period.

 

That's not a valid reason.

 

Maybe not for you, but for me and others, it is.

 

here is my 6000k 35w hid's in my stock housings low beams and compared to the stock hi beams!

 

dragonrage is talkin so much **** about camaros and the guy F***** drives A G8 come on dude drop it already and stop putting your 2 cents on every f***** post about HIDs you dont own an f-body so dont reply. ppl are looking for info/pics about HID on camaros in example POSITIVE FEEDBACK and INFO. not someone who is totaly against it... In other words SHUT THE **** UP! thank you and have a nice day.

 

what kit/brand? scj?

 

they're from ddmtuning.com and it's the raptor set!

great quality and cheap hids!