Time for new Fog Lights
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Time for new Fog Lights I recently went to change out one of my SilverStar fog light bulbs and found that the 880ST bulb had melted the housing.
I want projector fog lights and I was looking at these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-06...item3a6af85a92
I've been told the Bonnevilles use the same fog lights as the Trans Ams and I was wondering if anyone had used these or something similar.
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I want projector fog lights and I was looking at these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-06...item3a6af85a92
I've been told the Bonnevilles use the same fog lights as the Trans Ams and I was wondering if anyone had used these or something similar.
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I was in the same position that you were in last year. This is my setup. Got brand new housings.
Buy this on ebay. Might find them cheaper than this listing.
Then I bought this kit
Bulb Color: 6000K
Bulb Type: 880
Wattage: 35W
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Buy this on ebay. Might find them cheaper than this listing.
Then I bought this kit
Bulb Color: 6000K
Bulb Type: 880
Wattage: 35W
(non-sponsor link removed)
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I wonder what the output of those aftermarket Denali projectors looks like? I know there is a description, but a picture would be better. Also what are their dimensions? What kind of bulb does it take? You'll have to contact the seller since I dind't see that info in their ad.
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I was in the same position that you were in last year. This is my setup. Got brand new housings.
Buy this on ebay. Might find them cheaper than this listing.
Then I bought this kit
Bulb Color: 6000K
Bulb Type: 880
Wattage: 35W
(non-sponsor link removed)
Buy this on ebay. Might find them cheaper than this listing.
Then I bought this kit
Bulb Color: 6000K
Bulb Type: 880
Wattage: 35W
(non-sponsor link removed)
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I wonder what the output of those aftermarket Denali projectors looks like? I know there is a description, but a picture would be better. Also what are their dimensions? What kind of bulb does it take? You'll have to contact the seller since I dind't see that info in their ad.
And here's a link to another sellers pictures:
http://rambowtech.com/view_images_eb...tpl=rambowtech
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And here's a link to another sellers pictures:
http://rambowtech.com/view_images_eb...tpl=rambowtech
http://rambowtech.com/view_images_eb...tpl=rambowtech
Something like this (these are on my Formula):
This is the stock Formula fog light bracket bent to hold an aftermarket fog light. I've also seen the Trans Am bracket bent to fit an aftermarket fog light and its a little different. I think it might have some tabs to mount the side screws instead of having that metal bracket that came with the aftermarket fog lights I bought.
http://www.fadingarrow.com/FogLights.htm
However, when looking at the back, it looks like there may be a bit of a gap between the projector itself and that housing which means that water may sneak in there. You'll have to check it out if you get it and possibly seal it up if necessary.
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Here is another mounting option (using Hella 90mm projectors):
https://ls1tech.com/forums/stereo-el...t-upgrade.html
(you can modify the cut-off shield to be flat for fog light use if you want)
Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights:
These are also Hella housings, but they are reflectors, not projectors.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/appearanc...ll-w-pics.html
Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights using the side mounting screws:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/pontiac-f...og-lights.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/stereo-el...t-upgrade.html
(you can modify the cut-off shield to be flat for fog light use if you want)
Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights:
These are also Hella housings, but they are reflectors, not projectors.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/appearanc...ll-w-pics.html
Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights using the side mounting screws:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/pontiac-f...og-lights.html
Last edited by VIP1; Oct 7, 2011 at 11:59 AM.
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Thanks for the tips VIP1. I may just go ahead and buy them and fab something up to hold them. What do you recommend to seal them with? And what is the difference in a H3 bulb and a H3c?
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H3 is a Halogen bulb size. H3C is a short HID bulb that is often sold for use in place of a Halogen H3. Watch out though. A real H3C doesn't look like a regular HID bulb and doesn't last as long either. It looks more like a cut HID bulb or more like a Halogen H3 bulb in size/appearance. Instead, get the newer-style short H3 HID bulb. It looks like a regular HID bulb but shorter. The reason for a H3C or short H3 HID bulb is to put the HID arc closer to the accurate position of a H3 Halogen bulb since a Halogen H3 bulb is pretty short.
As for sealing them, the only thing I can think of is some silicone and possibly aluminum tape if needed.
EDIT: Turns out there is a Halogen H3C bulb which appears to be a variant of an H3 bulb that is sold in Japan. From what I can tell, its the same capsule on a different base.
Here is a picuter (H3 on the left, H3C on the right)
I go that pic from this page saying how to mount a H3 bulb in place of a H3C.
http://www.lexls.com/tutorials/light...onversion.html
The rest of what I said above about H3C HID vs. Short H3 HID still applies.
Here is a pic of the 2 different HID kit style available.
H3C HID on the left, Short H3 HID on the right
Here is a pic of the short H3 HID next to a Halogen H3 bulb.
(HID on the left, Halogen on the right)
When it comes to HID sometimes the names H3 & H3C are interchanged (although they are different). Just make sure you see a pic of what you are getting before you order.
As for sealing them, the only thing I can think of is some silicone and possibly aluminum tape if needed.
EDIT: Turns out there is a Halogen H3C bulb which appears to be a variant of an H3 bulb that is sold in Japan. From what I can tell, its the same capsule on a different base.
Here is a picuter (H3 on the left, H3C on the right)
I go that pic from this page saying how to mount a H3 bulb in place of a H3C.
http://www.lexls.com/tutorials/light...onversion.html
The rest of what I said above about H3C HID vs. Short H3 HID still applies.
Here is a pic of the 2 different HID kit style available.
H3C HID on the left, Short H3 HID on the right
Here is a pic of the short H3 HID next to a Halogen H3 bulb.
(HID on the left, Halogen on the right)
When it comes to HID sometimes the names H3 & H3C are interchanged (although they are different). Just make sure you see a pic of what you are getting before you order.
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hey guys i had a question on my fog lights, i havent had a chance to go under my car and take the bulbs out so im not sure on this yet but i was wandering what is the stock bulb size on the light bulbs being used on our fog lights?
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It would be helpful to know what kind of car. Camaro? Firebird? Trans Am? Corvette? What year?
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I'm going to take a guess that the car in question is a 2000 Camaro SS.
The 1998-2002 Camaro came stock with 894 bulbs.
The 1998-2002 Firebird came stock with 880 bulbs.
Technically 880,881,893,894 all fit into the same housing and plug into the same connector. The only difference is the angle of the connector and the wattage of the bulb (which also translates to the amount of heat they put out).
880 --- 27.5 Watt, straight connector
881 --- 27.5 Watt, right-angle connector
893 --- 35 Watt, straight connector
894 --- 35 Watt, right-angle connector
WARNING: Higher wattage bulbs have been known to melt the Firebird/Formula/Trans Am fog light housings since they are plastic.
You can find all the car's bulbs listed on the lamp replacement guide on Sylvania's website.
The 1998-2002 Camaro came stock with 894 bulbs.
The 1998-2002 Firebird came stock with 880 bulbs.
Technically 880,881,893,894 all fit into the same housing and plug into the same connector. The only difference is the angle of the connector and the wattage of the bulb (which also translates to the amount of heat they put out).
880 --- 27.5 Watt, straight connector
881 --- 27.5 Watt, right-angle connector
893 --- 35 Watt, straight connector
894 --- 35 Watt, right-angle connector
WARNING: Higher wattage bulbs have been known to melt the Firebird/Formula/Trans Am fog light housings since they are plastic.
You can find all the car's bulbs listed on the lamp replacement guide on Sylvania's website.
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Uh, yeah... probably a hot 2000 SS. I should have looked at the screen name. 
I had the 35 watt 893 bulbs in my T/A for years without heat problems. But there are 50 watt versions (885 straight, 886 right angle) that have been reported to cause complete destruction of the sockets and housings due to melting. YMMV.
I had the 35 watt 893 bulbs in my T/A for years without heat problems. But there are 50 watt versions (885 straight, 886 right angle) that have been reported to cause complete destruction of the sockets and housings due to melting. YMMV.
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I had the 893 bulbs as well and they warped the mounting pad. The bulbs were fused in place. I got them out with some muscle (and chipped plastic), but it was clear that these stock plastic housings couldn't take the heat. At that point I junked the housings and used the damaged bulbs for their connectors.
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I wonder if the different placement of fog lights on a Formula versus a T/A effects how much heat they can handle? Maybe there's more airflow in the middle than at the sides? My fog lights were on anytime the headlights were on and they didn't melt even in the Florida heat.
I've run 886 50W bulbs in my Camaro's projector fogs without issue. Metal housing and glass lens, so that's probably why it's been fine.
Didn't the earlier birds have metal/glass fogs? I thought I read that somewhere.
Didn't the earlier birds have metal/glass fogs? I thought I read that somewhere.
I read that LT1 TA's have metal/glass fogs, but the brackets would only be a direct fit for 98-02 V6/Formulas.
Here is another mounting option (using Hella 90mm projectors):
https://ls1tech.com/forums/stereo-el...t-upgrade.html
(you can modify the cut-off shield to be flat for fog light use if you want)
Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights:
These are also Hella housings, but they are reflectors, not projectors.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/appearanc...ll-w-pics.html
Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights using the side mounting screws:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/pontiac-f...og-lights.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/stereo-el...t-upgrade.html
(you can modify the cut-off shield to be flat for fog light use if you want)
Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights:
These are also Hella housings, but they are reflectors, not projectors.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/appearanc...ll-w-pics.html
Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights using the side mounting screws:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/pontiac-f...og-lights.html