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Old 02-11-2006, 12:43 PM
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Anybody have this cam? how do you like it? would it be ok to install it in a 00 A4?
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You would be fine installing it.
However I do suggest that you are properly stalled for a cam first and foremost. You will not get any help from the stock converter really. If you want to be able to use the MS3 for its full potential you will need a different converter.

Are you running this as a DD or a strip/road race car?
What kind of power/tq are you wanting to accomplish?
Are you going to be using stock heads or aftermarket ports and valve upgrades?
Do you have intake/exhaust/headers/converter.....ect?

You will definitely want to upgrade your valve train for this cam.
I would say in most cases 918's would be fine if this car only plans to the see the track once in a blue moon. Dual springs would be your overall best bet, and make sure that you are running some hardened pushrods as well with the correct length.
You do not need to buy new rockers or lifters for this cam unless you really want to.

Basically let us know what you want to get out of this cam and we can help you better.
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^^ What he said, but I'd definitely run the dual springs. You wouldn't be modding your LS1 if you weren't going to beat the snot out of it... better safe than sorry!

I have the MS3, and I love it like a newborn child.
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How much for the MS3 kit that comes with hardened pushrods and the dual springs?
Does anyone know how much install would run?
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I have the MS3 and I love it. Pulls like a ****.

I used the Patriot Gold sprink kit and the Trick Flow pushrods with mine. I am verry happy with the way it runs. It is very quiet also, no valvetrain noise at all.
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the whole kit is 689.99 install will run you anywhere from 300-500 bucks PLUS tuning 450-600 bucks...or go the cheap way and get a mail Order tune which will run you 250-450
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Or go the cheeeaaaper way.....And install it yourself and use the money on a tune.
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Originally Posted by orangeapeel
Or go the cheeeaaaper way.....And install it yourself and use the money on a tune.
Be sure you know what you are doing though
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that makes me sick for you Kory everytime I see that thread.
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I have the MS3 in my 2000 A4. I love it, just like everyone else. I swapped out a TSP 231/237 for the MS3. I have Patriot dual springs w/ retainers and Comp chrome moly pushrods.
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Originally Posted by 4thGenCamaro
I have the MS3 in my 2000 A4. I love it, just like everyone else. I swapped out a TSP 231/237 for the MS3. I have Patriot dual springs w/ retainers and Comp chrome moly pushrods.
How much HP did you pickup with the swap and how does it act just driving around town compared to the 231/237?

Compared to the 231/237 where does it start to pull...?

If I wanted to do the swap myslef I shouldn't need a different length push rod correct, since I already have them with my 231/237.

With this cam no fly cutting is required now correct...?

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Originally Posted by speedo
How much HP did you pickup with the swap and how does it act just driving around town compared to the 231/237?

Compared to the 231/237 where does it start to pull...?

If I wanted to do the swap myslef I shouldn't need a different length push rod correct, since I already have them with my 231/237.

With this cam no fly cutting is required now correct...?
I'd like to know also. I'm running a full H/C 90/90 with a 230-236 112 XE-R now.
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I just had this cam put in my car. So far I really like it. I do need a little more tuning, but that will happen soon enough. I bought the cam, spring kit, install kit, pushrods, and adjustable double roller timing chain from TSP. It was around $850. I would not put 918s in with this cam.
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i can't wait to get mine running. i have the ms3, cleaned up 241 heads and yank pt4200. i just switched from partroit stage 2 5.3s and the tsp 231/237 cam.
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ms3 is good with me. I have it and with old converter went 7.45 on motor and 6.63 on jug. Just installed a 4400 PTC and on the street it feels even stronger. Times coming soon
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thanks to all for the replys
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