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Old 07-27-2015, 12:51 PM
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What's the cause fix for this? All 8 pistons/cylinders on both top and bottom sides. LSX block.

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How many miles on it before tear down? What is the bore/stroke?
There could be a few things that cause this but it's not uncommon on a stroker engine.
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I guess I could try to give you more answers. Many stroke/bore combinations actually pull the piston slightly out of the bore add that to the fact that pistons are clearanced for the crankshaft and or short skirt can leave a lot to be desired when in comes to keeping the piston from rocking in the bore= causing accelerated piston skirt/bore wear. Pistons to wall clearance can also cause this but due to thermal expansion of the piston there is only so much you can do.
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Originally Posted by LLLosingit
I guess I could try to give you more answers. Many stroke/bore combinations actually pull the piston slightly out of the bore add that to the fact that pistons are clearanced for the crankshaft and or short skirt can leave a lot to be desired when in comes to keeping the piston from rocking in the bore= causing accelerated piston skirt/bore wear. Pistons to wall clearance can also cause this but due to thermal expansion of the piston there is only so much you can do.
Thanks. 2000 miles. LSX block. 4.0 stroke, 4.125 bore IIRC. PB clearance .005" PD blowers 20 PSI. Shift 6500-7000. See teardown thread below.
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After cleaning up a few piston tops, it looks like detonation has been occurring. Is this the typical skirt pattern seen from detonation? Possible lubrication or clearance issue? Cooling issue?

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Rub your finger along the bottom of the cylinders. Does it feel sharp or like it was deburred?
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Originally Posted by KCS
Rub your finger along the bottom of the cylinders. Does it feel sharp or like it was deburred?
This how it is finished:

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Cylinders measure pretty round and straight at 4.1275 +/- .0005 with the +/- being at the bottoms. Measured in 4 directions at 3 depths.

Piston skirts all measure 4.125 at widest dimensions. Land diameter is 4.084.

So I get .00125 for PB clearance?? (4.1275 - 4.125) / 2
Or is it just calculated as bore diameter - piston diameter? In that case it would be .0025

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Originally Posted by DrX
Cylinders measure pretty round and straight at 4.1275 +/- .0005 with the +/- being at the bottoms. Measured in 4 directions at 3 depths.

Piston skirts all measure 4.125 at widest dimensions. Land diameter is 4.084.

So I get .00125 for PB clearance?? (4.1275 - 4.125) / 2
Or is it just calculated as bore diameter - piston diameter? In that case it would be .0025
The piston-wall clearance is just like bearing clearance; ID minus OD.

With a torque plate bolted on, the taper in the cylinders might go away.
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Originally Posted by DrX
This how it is finished:

That looks sharp. It's probably where you're getting your skirt wear from. I deburr the bottom of the cylinders with a sandpaper cartridge roll and it ends up nice and smooth.
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Originally Posted by KCS
The piston-wall clearance is just like bearing clearance; ID minus OD.

With a torque plate bolted on, the taper in the cylinders might go away.
Still tight at .0025" ?


Originally Posted by KCS
That looks sharp. It's probably where you're getting your skirt wear from. I deburr the bottom of the cylinders with a sandpaper cartridge roll and it ends up nice and smooth.
On both the bore and counterbore edges?
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Originally Posted by DrX
Still tight at .0025" ?

Little large, not a big deal, and not the problem




On both the bore and counterbore edges?
Ideally, all the way around the bottom of the bore. It is most critical on the thrust side. This is often neglected, very critical step, especially on strokers.
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Just break the corner with the cartridge roll, it is hard to do it too much
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Originally Posted by DrX
Still tight at .0025" ?

On both the bore and counterbore edges?
Depends. For a 4032 alloy, it's probably just right but since it's a power adder I'd assume it's 2618, which would be tight. I'm also assuming you're properly using a dial bore gauge and micrometer accurate to .0001" as well.
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I think it is probably correct at .005 PB, but I was reading the bore gauge(.0005) wrong. What threw me off was I used a dial caliper at the top of the bore as a sanity check and it was telling me it was under 4.130. Now it looks like that caliper reads around .002 under actual.



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