LS4 Performance - 2012 charger rt vs 2003 mustang gt (video)

I was just crusing around after filling up ($80!!!) and ran into this mustang we raced a few times and I got the last one on video....It was a stick and sounded like he had an exhaust.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az3Gdr90zd0&context=C47e2afcADvjVQa1PpcFOBDreR01EbdMh__ye0CEKr prOzHwKxYBM=

80 bucks?! Sheesh! It took me a little under 65 dollars for a fill up and I was on E. But anyway cool video. Good way to put a mustang guy in his place!

very nice!

I always have to chuckle inside we I see people cruising around and revving up the engine of their 2v 4.6 Mustang GT and think, "If they only knew..." Those cars were slow in their time, and are far slower today.

to fill up my G8 is $85 with premium...1.48 a litre.

to fill up my G8 is $85 with premium...1.48 a litre.

God, I feel so bad for you! How many gallons is your tank? Mine is 16.9, usually end up putting 12-14 gallons in for $45-$55, $3.88 a gallon for premium.

God, I feel so bad for you! How many gallons is your tank? Mine is 16.9, usually end up putting 12-14 gallons in for $45-$55, $3.88 a gallon for premium.
mine is 19.2 gallons

I always have to chuckle inside we I see people cruising around and revving up the engine of their 2v 4.6 Mustang GT and think, "If they only knew..." Those cars were slow in their time, and are far slower today.

I had a stock 4.6 gt with an exhaust and 5speed, and threw it up on the dyno( perks one having one at work lol), car made 204hp at the wheels, lol so slow.

I was dead empty with a 19.1 gallon tank and gas was $4.19 premium. luckly the price has dropped .30 cents.
Ive always liked mustangs if i were to ever get a coupe "sports car" I would get a foxbody-98 cobra. If talking about new school i would get the new 5.0.

Thats crazy and only to think gas is supposed to be rising again. I would love to see premium gas go back to about $2.50. I've always liked mustangs too. To me they have to have the best sounding exhausts out of any car with a v8. But as far as the owners, every one that I've come across except two of them, were complete dickheads.

I had a stock 4.6 gt with an exhaust and 5speed, and threw it up on the dyno( perks one having one at work lol), car made 204hp at the wheels, lol so slow.

Was it the 1999-2004 Mustang GT? Gosh that's weak.

Does it feel that slow when driving around in it? Only good thing about those cars is they look alright and sound amazing.

Thats crazy and only to think gas is supposed to be rising again. I would love to see premium gas go back to about $2.50. I've always liked mustangs too. To me they have to have the best sounding exhausts out of any car with a v8. But as far as the owners, every one that I've come across except two of them, were complete dickheads.

I remember driving around when I was 17 looking for gas under $2.00!! and that was 6 years ago!!! :nutkick: I feel like the yellow guy everytime i pull into a gas station haha

one of the loudest cars ive ever heard is my cousins 2001 mustang GT its got custom headers, cat delete, slp exhaust with a X pipe which sounds amazing but when he opens the cutout right after the headers :hump: I think I got a couple vids of us racing on my youtube account.

one of the loudest cars ive ever heard is my cousins 2001 mustang GT its got custom headers, cat delete, slp exhaust with a X pipe which sounds amazing but when he opens the cutout right after the headers :hump: I think I got a couple vids of us racing on my youtube account.

Idk what it is but I can hear a mustang a mile away unlike any other car. But then again I know a ls motor especially when it's WOT

But as far as the owners, every one that I've come across except two of them, were complete dickheads.

Dido, except I have yet to meet one that wasn't, lol

I always have to chuckle inside we I see people cruising around and revving up the engine of their 2v 4.6 Mustang GT and think, "If they only knew..." Those cars were slow in their time, and are far slower today.

Was it the 1999-2004 Mustang GT? Gosh that's weak.

Does it feel that slow when driving around in it? Only good thing about those cars is they look alright and sound amazing.

It did few that slow lol, I also had a 93lx with a hci combo only made 296hp and 349tq but was super light.

It did few that slow lol, I also had a 93lx with a hci combo only made 296hp and 349tq but was super light.

Was it the 1999-2004 Mustang GT?

Yes, cali car came factory with 6 converters.

yeah those 02 stangs are slow, had one a few months ago that was a convertible with pipes try and run me, i made him my bitch though

I wouldn't say the 02 mustang is slow. My buddy with Hand held tuner, LTs, X Pipe, CAI, Plenum, TB, Slicks and skinnies went 12.82.

I wouldn't say the 02 mustang is slow. My buddy with Hand held tuner, LTs, X Pipe, CAI, Plenum, TB, Slicks and skinnies went 12.82.

That's painfully slow, considerning the mods. Back in the day, a Ford rag tested a Terminator Cobra against a 2002 Z28, and while the Terminator was obviously faster, the Camaro ran 12.80's-12.90's bone stock.

Compared to your buddy's car, an LS1 car with similar mods (assuming an aftermarket intake instead of the Ford's plenum) would be deep into the 12's.

The 4.6 2V Mustangs were a bad joke. Sometime around 2001, I raced a Vortech supercharged 99 Mustang GT at Carlsbad in my 2000 Z28 A4 with an LS6 cam, a lid and 3.42 gears. I put a half-second on his ass, and we had similar 2.0x 60-foot times. Both of us were on DRs.

I'm just saying everyone calls them slow when there's 1 posted n/a ls4 time quicker than that. And I don't think any bone stock fbody has gone 12.8 and the few that have gone 12.9X are not exactly common times. Oh and that guy only has like $1000 into his 2v. There must have been something wrong with the vortech mustang. Another guy I know went 12.01 with his tuner not allowing him to launch over 2500 rpm. Bogged bad and that was a 5 speed very with Mach 1000 system. Not a light car.

But I agree an ls1 is light years ahead of a 2v. I just wouldn't call them slow.

i would

I'm just saying everyone calls them slow when there's 1 posted n/a ls4 time quicker than that. And I don't think any bone stock fbody has gone 12.8 and the few that have gone 12.9X are not exactly common times. Oh and that guy only has like $1000 into his 2v. There must have been something wrong with the vortech mustang. Another guy I know went 12.01 with his tuner not allowing him to launch over 2500 rpm. Bogged bad and that was a 5 speed very with Mach 1000 system. Not a light car.

But I agree an ls1 is light years ahead of a 2v. I just wouldn't call them slow.

Nah, it's a pretty well known fact that the fastest LS1 F-body was a 1998 Z28 and it went 12.8.

I'm just saying everyone calls them slow when there's 1 posted n/a ls4 time quicker than that. And I don't think any bone stock fbody has gone 12.8 and the few that have gone 12.9X are not exactly common times. Oh and that guy only has like $1000 into his 2v. There must have been something wrong with the vortech mustang. Another guy I know went 12.01 with his tuner not allowing him to launch over 2500 rpm. Bogged bad and that was a 5 speed very with Mach 1000 system. Not a light car.

But I agree an ls1 is light years ahead of a 2v. I just wouldn't call them slow.

You can doubt all you want, but it doesn't make it any less true:

http://www.stangbangers.com/01Bullitt_Article2c.jpg


And if you've been around the LS1 F-body seen for any period of time, you'd know that a 12-second stocker, while not exactly an everyday occurance, was not entirely uncommon, either. I know. I was there.

Regarding the Vortech Mustang I beat in the race, who's to say whether it was running right or not? I do know that I had beaten several then-new Fox Body's in that car, and most them ran 14.10's to 14.60's, so I don't think the 13.5x that the Vortech car ran against me was that far off.

But whatever man, you obviously know something we don't, despite your two months and twenty-something posts here. :rolleyes:

Not trying to be a dick, even though I probably came across that way. Just setting some history right.

I vote 2v is still slow even with exhaust and all that other shit.

More 12-second stock LS1 F-bodies: http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-results/1220441-fastest-stock-ls1-fbody.html

No it's all good. I stand corrected. The only thing I don't understand is why they are doing a burnout on street tires? I've always understood this will make them not hook up as well. And I wasn't trying to take away fromyour win. I was just going off of what my buddies vortech 2v vert did on DRs.

No it's all good. I stand corrected. The only thing I don't understand is why they are doing a burnout on street tires? I've always understood this will make them not hook up as well. And I wasn't trying to take away fromyour win. I was just going off of what my buddies vortech 2v vert did on DRs.

No worries, man!

That Camaro SS made 321WHP in STOCK form? They got a freak LS1 then, not many of them dyno that high in stock form. Most of the ones from 1998-2000 dyno 290-300, and the ones from '01 and up aren't much higher than 300WHP. I'm pretty sure a 321WHP LS1 in stock form is pretty rare!

That Camaro SS made 321WHP in STOCK form? They got a freak LS1 then, not many of them dyno that high in stock form. Most of the ones from 1998-2000 dyno 290-300, and the ones from '01 and up aren't much higher than 300WHP. I'm pretty sure a 321WHP LS1 in stock form is pretty rare!

Once again, back in the day, quite a few of these cars dynoed in the 310-320 range in stock form. I personally witnessed a 2001 WS6 put 318 to the rear wheels through a paper filter and stock lid, complete with the air baffles. This was on the 2001 Hot Rod Power Tour.

It's a shame that the old ls1.com wiped their forum database and started over because a lot of it was documented over there. LS1Tech was started in late 2001 and didn't really begin to gain popularity until a couple of years later, so they missed out on most of these cars being brand new. Most people don't remember just how strong these cars could be from the factory.

My first V8 was an 01 GT and I thought it was great for a beginner V8 - moved up to the LS1 and couldn't be happier, glad I didn't start with this beast or might ended up totaled. lol

Once again, back in the day, quite a few of these cars dynoed in the 310-320 range in stock form. I personally witnessed a 2001 WS6 put 318 to the rear wheels through a paper filter and stock lid, complete with the air baffles. This was on the 2001 Hot Rod Power Tour.

It's a shame that the old ls1.com wiped their forum database and started over because a lot of it was documented over there. LS1Tech was started in late 2001 and didn't really begin to gain popularity until a couple of years later, so they missed out on most of these cars being brand new. Most people don't remember just how strong these cars could be from the factory.

So you are saying because our cars are old and have some miles on them that they are losing significant amounts of power? How much?

the pi head 2v with gearing ,and some bolt ons arent a complete joke, but still not a fair match up against the ls1. i still kind of like them though.

^^ they are talking street...the 4.6 belongs in the crown vics not mustangs. they are slow

^^ they are talking street...the 4.6 belongs in the crown vics not mustangs. they are slow

LMAO! A 260HP V8 in a 4,000 lb car? Those Crown Vics are about as fast as a Cobalt.

So you are saying because our cars are old and have some miles on them that they are losing significant amounts of power? How much?

No, I wasn't saying that at all. I guess I wasn't very clear.

What I meant was, there aren't very many completely stock LS1 cars around anymore, or, at least the owners of 100% stockers probably don't post here or anywhere else. And for that reason, we don't have a lot of 1/4 mile times from those cars. Back in the day when these cars were new, plenty of people took them to the track with a stock lid and paper filter and then posted them on ls1.com etc, so there were a lot of documented "fast times".

Another thing is, despite all of the factory 12-second (and faster) cars available in 2012, many people forget or weren't around 10-15 years ago, and when you tell them a stock LS1 car could be a low, low 13 or 12.90 car, they just don't believe it.

And one side note: When I got my Camaro dynoed at CalSpeed, the owner told me that LS cars lose very little HP with high mileage...As long as the motor isn't worn out by poor maintenance. Jim indicated that there's very little power fall-off from break-in to 150,000 or more miles. That explains the 359 RWHP my unopened stock motor put to the rollers with over 160,000 miles on it.

LMAO! A 260HP V8 in a 4,000 lb car? Those Crown Vics are about as fast as a Cobalt.
The Crown Vic version was rated lower...I think it was 232 HP or something like that! :jest:

The Crown Vic version was rated lower...I think it was 232 HP or something like that! :jest:

Makes me wonder why we never see a Crown Vic chasing a sports/muscle car on police chase videos. They're always chasing a minvan, an SUV, or some old junker.

Makes me wonder why we never see a Crown Vic chasing a sports/muscle car on police chase videos. They're always chasing a minvan, an SUV, or some old junker.

I noticed that too. Here in jersey they have the 3.5 silver unmarked chargers on the highways. I know one thing's for sure, they ain't catching me :jest:

I noticed that too. Here in jersey they have the 3.5 silver unmarked chargers on the highways. I know one thing's for sure, they ain't catching me :jest:

they run the new 5.7 Hemi chargers and are starting to get some 6.0 caprices in my area.

they run the new 5.7 Hemi chargers and are starting to get some 6.0 caprices in my area.

The 6.0 Caprice that's based on the G8 platform?

The 6.0 Caprice that's based on the G8 platform?

Yeah, it's on Zeta.

Yeah, it's on Zeta.

I'll just be thankful new jersey hasn't stepped their game up yet. Well south jersey anyway

I wouldn't say the 2V GTs are slow per say. They're a good match for the LT1. They can keep up alright, just not the fastest. You do need to take into consideration that the little 281 is down a full liter of displacement, and is an over-achiever.
Here's a quick vid of a catback only GT (Bullitt) going against a Charger R/T with intake/exhaust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6LkkVy4NiY


The Mach 1, however, is a better match for the LS1 & Charger R/T. Hold your guns, I'm not making any claims boys!

Intake/Exhaust Mach 1 vs the same Charger R/T (intake/exhaust)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dRvpG24-WA

You want slow, how about a "300 Horsepower" 2011 Camaro vs a Bullitt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSybRkEPkjU

2v gt are slow as shit. End of story and we all know anthing can be made fast with money.

2v gt are slow as shit. End of story and we all know anthing can be made fast with money.

says the mommy car :judge: sucks that your car is right there with it

says the mommy car :judge: sucks that your car is right there with it

I would run your mustang if you where around my area. I have owned a ton of mustangs, the last mustang I had was a 01 cobra procharged, and built intenals, one of the fastest cars that I had. I am saying 2v are slow not all mustangs are slow.

I would run your mustang if you where around my area. I have owned a ton of mustangs, the last mustang I had was a 01 cobra procharged, and built intenals, one of the fastest cars that I had. I am saying 2v are slow not all mustangs are slow.

? Why would you want to run a full bolt on Mach 1 with a stock GXP? :bomb: I didn't say anything about other Mustangs either. If you are saying a 2V is slow compared to blown Mustangs and other built cars than congratulations captain obvious. Saying 14 second cars are "slow as shit" is a pretty dumb thing to say when you're in the performance LS4 section filled with impalla SS, Grand Am, solstice, G6, and GXP people like yourself. If that's the case, is your car "slow as shit" too? My whole point with the videos above was 14 second cars are decent. Slow would be my last video, honda civics, prius' and so forth. Going from a FI Conra to your current "slow as shit" car must have been depressing, but for your own good, don't make claims about these cars being slow when you're one of them and other people in this section are in the same boat. You're destroying your buddies here :barf:

If you are ever in Ohio pm me and we can film your mach 1 vs my "stock mommy car".

If you are ever in Ohio pm me and we can film your mach 1 vs my "stock mommy car".

A Mach 1 will burn a stock GXP. Don't get your hopes up.

XSELLR8=Ford Troll.

And my stock motor 163,000 mile LS1 will pimp-slap your Mach 1.

A Mach 1 will burn a stock GXP. Don't get your hopes up.

Oh I forgot that in my Sig it says stock gxp not bolt ons my mistake.

Oh I forgot that in my Sig it says stock gxp not bolt ons my mistake.

Bolt On's in progress means what to me? You have a lid? You have all the bolt on's but have not put them on yet?

Face it, a Mach 1 runs almost dead even with a stock LS1, and you aren't anywhere near stock LS1 times yet.

XSELLR8=Ford Troll.

And my stock motor 163,000 mile LS1 will pimp-slap your Mach 1.

Yeah, I'm a troll for defending GMs in the 14s :judge: Typical remark I expected from Egotisitcals like you. Keep proving your credibility with your remarks :barf:

Whiteknight01, thanks for remarks. I'm not here to cause trouble. I respect the LS family, but I'll speak my mind when people speak out their rear.

Yeah, I'm a troll for defending GMs that run 14s :judge: Keep proving your credibility with your remarks too :barf:

So what does your Mach 1 run in the 1/4 mile?

Yeah, I'm a troll for defending GMs that run 14s :judge: Keep proving your credibility with your remarks too :barf:

My credibility is proven with nearly a decade on this site. Your 4 posts mean, well, very little. :swing:

And if you were truly trying to defend these "14 second cars", then I wouldn't be in here smacking you around, but it looks like you're just trying tell us how great your Mach 1 is.

Oh, and your HUGE mod list is cute.

My credibility is proven with nearly a decade on this site. Your 4 posts mean, well, very little. :swing:

And if you were truly trying to defend these "14 second cars", then I wouldn't be in here smacking your around, but it looks like you're just trying tell us how great your Mach 1 is.

Oh, and your HUGE mod list is cute.

Sorry, but despite your practice with close to 2k posts, I'm having a hard time understanding your post. You're smacking my what around? Credibility doesn't come from how many useless posts you've done. If the rest are like this, you're probably pretty popular here by now. LOL
All I'm saying is a 14 second car may not be a built rocket, but it's not "Slow as shit," and I'm sure people in this section are with me. If not, sorry we all don't have 10 second cars.
Yeah, my mod list is pretty cute, huh? We Mustang guys have to do somethig to rise up to your level. I'll keep it up just for you-my newest LS1 friend :)
I'm up to 5 posts now BTW

I will rephrase I think 14 seconds cars are slow, only because ive had 10 and 9 seconds cars, I sold my cobra to fund my new trans am build. And before anyone calls bs I putting together a thread in the drag racing tech section this week.

Sorry, but despite your practice with close to 2k posts, I'm having a hard time understanding your post. You're smacking my what around? Credibility doesn't come from how many useless posts you've done. If the rest are like this, you're probably pretty popular here by now. LOL
All I'm saying is a 14 second car may not be a built rocket, but it's not "Slow as shit." and I'm sure people in this section are with me. If not, sorry we all don't have 10 second cars.

So far, I count 5 useless posts from you, so even if half of mine are worthless, it's still a bit better than your contribution.

My point is, you won't see any of these LS4 guys going on Ford sites and talking shit because we know that high-13's to mid 14's isn't really all that fast. In fact, in the scheme of things, it's pretty, slow. Especially if it's a so-called pony car like a Mustang that people seem to automatically assume is fast. Now, if you came in here with a new 5.0 or even a Terminator Cobra, I'd still call you troll, but at least you could talk some shit because you'd actually have a fast car and not some joke SN95 powered by a bolt-on 2V boat anchor. :barf:

As far as who likes me or not, I'm not really concerned. I've actually contributed something to this community and helped people along the way, and while I may have rubbed a few folks the wrong way, it was usually because they came in here talking shit about stuff they knew little about. Or they were trolls like you.

So, run a long and have fun with your mid-13 second clap-trap. We get the point: You're a smart-guy internet gangsta, but thankfully, you'll soon get bored jacking yourself off in the FWD section of LS1tech and will soon be moving on. ;)

So far, I count 5 useless posts from you, so even if half of mine are worthless, it's still a bit better than your contribution.

My point is, you won't see any of these LS4 guys going on Ford sites and talking shit because we know that high-13's to mid 14's isn't really all that fast. In fact, in the scheme of things, it's pretty, slow. Especially if it's a so-called pony car like a Mustang that people seem to automatically assume is fast. Now, if you came in here with a new 5.0 or even a Terminator Cobra, I'd still call you troll, but at least you could talk some shit because you'd actually have a fast car and not some joke SN95 powered by a bolt-on 2V boat anchor. :barf:

As far as who likes me or not, I'm not really concerned. I've actually contributed something to this community and helped people along the way, and while I may have rubbed a few folks the wrong way, it was usually because they came in here talking shit about stuff they knew little about. Or they were trolls like you.

So, run a long and have fun with your mid-13 second clap-trap. We get the point: You're a smart-guy internet gangsta, but thankfully, you'll soon get bored jacking yourself off in the FWD section and will soon be moving on. ;)

Wha dude, fewer posts, more reading! You just jumped in without knowing what's going on at all- catch up on the reading. I have a Mach 1 (that's the 32V, not a 16V- remember my signature? :) ).. I still don't think I'm here talking any crap. My 6 posts here might not be the most useful so far, but I have helped others a lot elsewhere too.

I will rephrase I think 14 seconds cars are slow, only because ive had 10 and 9 seconds cars, I sold my cobra to fund my new trans am build. And before anyone calls bs I putting together a thread in the drag racing tech section this week.

Can't wait to see the T/A. Sounds awesome. That's an awesome year ;)
I hear ya, I used to fly my Dad's twin Cessna 310. Cars felt slow after that.

Wha dude, fewer posts, more reading! You just jumped in without knowing what's going on at all- catch up on the reading. I have a Mach 1 (that's the 32V, not a 16V :) ).. I still don't think I'm here talking any crap. My 6 posts here might not be the most useful so far, but I have helped others a lot elsewhere too.

My bad...I always confuse the Mach 1 with the earlier Bullitt, which was a 16V motor. They all look the same to me.

That all said, there's nothing for me to catch up on...I posted on this thread before you decided to even sign up on LS1Tech, so it looks like I'm not the one that needs to read the whole thread. Anyway, your point is clear: You think the 13-14 second bracket is fast and I don't agree.

And I'm not knocking the LS4 cars either. They are what they are: Decent performers in bolt-on trim, and can be made to haul ass with some $$ dropped into them. They were never intended to be hardcore performance sedans, and the folks here with bolt-on cars don't have any illusions about that.

i love these arguments.

XSELLR8, what does your Mach put out for track times?

XSELLR8, what does your Mach put out for track times?

(This will be interesting) Dunno. No tracks around here.. I'd love to if there were. I'm one heck of a bench racer though! :chug: This kid has time slips with runs good for 13s, so probably low 13s. Heck, better be since it's supposed to run 13.1x factory LOL. ..:usa:
So from what I've learned with my short time here at LS1tech, I'm just 1 notch above "slower than Sh*t" :bang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl4RP1EFxv0

I'm just curious why is that 2G DSM considered built? But your Mach should def run low 13s and with a good driver 12s without a problem, but a set of 4.30s,long tubes, and sticky tires would help a whole lot.

I'm just curious why is that 2G DSM considered built? But your Mach should def run low 13s and with a good driver 12s without a problem, but a set of 4.30s,long tubes, and sticky tires would help a whole lot.

Well, after it blew the ..second, third, fourth time it was running on some new hard core bottom end work with a bigger turbo, huge intercooler, some wideband blah blah and gutted interior. He also "beat 320RWHP Mustangs and 600HP IROCZ Camaros all day long," so I guess that's considered "built" in their world.
Yeah, I wanted to do 4.30s and SLP headers that go right into my slp x pipe (Yes, SLP boys! I'm not so bad afterall), and I even had some comp 106100 cams in the works but decided to wait since I'm in my first place and bought my wife a nicer car. It was the right decision for now. I might end up doing the Eaton blower swap someday but I want all supporting mods first.

Oh yeah trust me I understand priorities. That's why I ended up with a imp SS. Needed a nice 4 door car, and wanted something that was still quick. Haha not all DSM guys are like that...I've owned a couple lol. I actually really like the 1G cars, and wish I still had my last one. Theres one at the track I go to that run 8.9X in the 1/4 now I consider that built lol.

That sucks, my local track is a 25 minute drive from me. Gears and longtubes are a must for that Mach!

That sucks, my local track is a 25 minute drive from me. Gears and longtubes are a must for that Mach!

I agree. The reason I also want the comp 106100 cams is because they are designed to compliment the 4.30 ratio while netting 40HP. I would probably do the cams before the headers as I flow unrestricted now, and the cams would be a bigger bang for the buck.
Be glad you guys only have 1 cam to replace! ;)