AFRs *arent* the only game in town, it seems...
04-26-2005, 03:54 PM
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AFRs *arent* the only game in town, it seems... OK... this is more than just Tony M bait 
I ordered a set of Stage 3 LQ9 heads from TEA. My app is an all-bore 387 (4.125" bore, stock 3.622" stroke for now)
There are some different things about these heads, and these flow numbers.
First off, the price:
It was less than a set of AFR 205s, including the core, PRC spring kit, assembly, etc. It was a peice-by-peice custom price, so I wont give the exact $ number. Call Brian or Brent with your app.
The set-up:
Bare LQ9 cores set up with 2.10" intake valve and a stock size 1.57" exhaust valve. Chamber size is 69cc, with .018 or so of a deck to get that.
The ports are done by Paris from SAM... they are a update of the "Judson Massengil" port. I'll call them the Paris port. 234cc or so on the intake.
The flow: I dont know the bench, it was whatever TEA uses. 1 5/8" pipe on the exhaust. Clay radius on the intake. 4.125" bore.
The flow numbers:
----------Intake----Exhaust
.100------72--------52
.200------151-------126
.300------224-------187
.400------274-------241
.500------318-------260
.550------335-------265
.600------346-------267
My cam is an MTI Z1 (236/236 .609 .609)... so I don't for now care about higher than .600.
But I'm *very* happy. Find me another $2200 head that is likely to perform this well!!!
I'll get them independently flowed and CC'd when I flow and CC the heads that are coming off the car... but I have no reason not to trust the above numbers outside knowing that a pipe was used on the exhaust.
I ordered a set of Stage 3 LQ9 heads from TEA. My app is an all-bore 387 (4.125" bore, stock 3.622" stroke for now)
There are some different things about these heads, and these flow numbers.
First off, the price:
It was less than a set of AFR 205s, including the core, PRC spring kit, assembly, etc. It was a peice-by-peice custom price, so I wont give the exact $ number. Call Brian or Brent with your app.
The set-up:
Bare LQ9 cores set up with 2.10" intake valve and a stock size 1.57" exhaust valve. Chamber size is 69cc, with .018 or so of a deck to get that.
The ports are done by Paris from SAM... they are a update of the "Judson Massengil" port. I'll call them the Paris port. 234cc or so on the intake.
The flow: I dont know the bench, it was whatever TEA uses. 1 5/8" pipe on the exhaust. Clay radius on the intake. 4.125" bore.
The flow numbers:
----------Intake----Exhaust
.100------72--------52
.200------151-------126
.300------224-------187
.400------274-------241
.500------318-------260
.550------335-------265
.600------346-------267
My cam is an MTI Z1 (236/236 .609 .609)... so I don't for now care about higher than .600.
But I'm *very* happy. Find me another $2200 head that is likely to perform this well!!!
I'll get them independently flowed and CC'd when I flow and CC the heads that are coming off the car... but I have no reason not to trust the above numbers outside knowing that a pipe was used on the exhaust.
04-26-2005, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Visceral
OK... this is more than just Tony M bait
I ordered a set of Stage 3 LQ9 heads from TEA. My app is an all-bore 387 (4.125" bore, stock 3.622" stroke for now)
There are some different things about these heads, and these flow numbers.
First off, the price:
It was less than a set of AFR 205s, including the core, PRC spring kit, assembly, etc. It was a peice-by-peice custom price, so I wont give the exact $ number. Call Brian or Brent with your app.
The set-up:
Bare LQ9 cores set up with 2.10" intake valve and a stock size 1.57" exhaust valve. Chamber size is 69cc, with .018 or so of a deck to get that.
The ports are done by Paris from SAM... they are a update of the "Judson Massengil" port. I'll call them the Paris port. 234cc or so on the intake.
The flow: I dont know the bench, it was whatever TEA uses. 1 5/8" pipe on the exhaust. Clay radius on the intake. 4.125" bore.
The flow numbers:
----------Intake----Exhaust
.100------72--------52
.200------151-------126
.300------224-------187
.400------274-------241
.500------318-------260
.550------335-------265
.600------346-------267
My cam is an MTI Z1 (236/236 .609 .609)... so I don't for now care about higher than .600.
But I'm *very* happy. Find me another $2200 head that is likely to perform this well!!!
I'll get them independently flowed and CC'd when I flow and CC the heads that are coming off the car... but I have no reason not to trust the above numbers outside knowing that a pipe was used on the exhaust.
I ordered a set of Stage 3 LQ9 heads from TEA. My app is an all-bore 387 (4.125" bore, stock 3.622" stroke for now)
There are some different things about these heads, and these flow numbers.
First off, the price:
It was less than a set of AFR 205s, including the core, PRC spring kit, assembly, etc. It was a peice-by-peice custom price, so I wont give the exact $ number. Call Brian or Brent with your app.
The set-up:
Bare LQ9 cores set up with 2.10" intake valve and a stock size 1.57" exhaust valve. Chamber size is 69cc, with .018 or so of a deck to get that.
The ports are done by Paris from SAM... they are a update of the "Judson Massengil" port. I'll call them the Paris port. 234cc or so on the intake.
The flow: I dont know the bench, it was whatever TEA uses. 1 5/8" pipe on the exhaust. Clay radius on the intake. 4.125" bore.
The flow numbers:
----------Intake----Exhaust
.100------72--------52
.200------151-------126
.300------224-------187
.400------274-------241
.500------318-------260
.550------335-------265
.600------346-------267
My cam is an MTI Z1 (236/236 .609 .609)... so I don't for now care about higher than .600.
But I'm *very* happy. Find me another $2200 head that is likely to perform this well!!!
I'll get them independently flowed and CC'd when I flow and CC the heads that are coming off the car... but I have no reason not to trust the above numbers outside knowing that a pipe was used on the exhaust.
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04-26-2005, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Visceral
OK... this is more than just Tony M bait
I ordered a set of Stage 3 LQ9 heads from TEA. My app is an all-bore 387 (4.125" bore, stock 3.622" stroke for now)
There are some different things about these heads, and these flow numbers.
First off, the price:
It was less than a set of AFR 205s, including the core, PRC spring kit, assembly, etc. It was a peice-by-peice custom price, so I wont give the exact $ number. Call Brian or Brent with your app.
The set-up:
Bare LQ9 cores set up with 2.10" intake valve and a stock size 1.57" exhaust valve. Chamber size is 69cc, with .018 or so of a deck to get that.
The ports are done by Paris from SAM... they are a update of the "Judson Massengil" port. I'll call them the Paris port. 234cc or so on the intake.
The flow: I dont know the bench, it was whatever TEA uses. 1 5/8" pipe on the exhaust. Clay radius on the intake. 4.125" bore.
The flow numbers:
----------Intake----Exhaust
.100------72--------52
.200------151-------126
.300------224-------187
.400------274-------241
.500------318-------260
.550------335-------265
.600------346-------267
My cam is an MTI Z1 (236/236 .609 .609)... so I don't for now care about higher than .600.
But I'm *very* happy. Find me another $2200 head that is likely to perform this well!!!
I'll get them independently flowed and CC'd when I flow and CC the heads that are coming off the car... but I have no reason not to trust the above numbers outside knowing that a pipe was used on the exhaust.
I ordered a set of Stage 3 LQ9 heads from TEA. My app is an all-bore 387 (4.125" bore, stock 3.622" stroke for now)
There are some different things about these heads, and these flow numbers.
First off, the price:
It was less than a set of AFR 205s, including the core, PRC spring kit, assembly, etc. It was a peice-by-peice custom price, so I wont give the exact $ number. Call Brian or Brent with your app.
The set-up:
Bare LQ9 cores set up with 2.10" intake valve and a stock size 1.57" exhaust valve. Chamber size is 69cc, with .018 or so of a deck to get that.
The ports are done by Paris from SAM... they are a update of the "Judson Massengil" port. I'll call them the Paris port. 234cc or so on the intake.
The flow: I dont know the bench, it was whatever TEA uses. 1 5/8" pipe on the exhaust. Clay radius on the intake. 4.125" bore.
The flow numbers:
----------Intake----Exhaust
.100------72--------52
.200------151-------126
.300------224-------187
.400------274-------241
.500------318-------260
.550------335-------265
.600------346-------267
My cam is an MTI Z1 (236/236 .609 .609)... so I don't for now care about higher than .600.
But I'm *very* happy. Find me another $2200 head that is likely to perform this well!!!
I'll get them independently flowed and CC'd when I flow and CC the heads that are coming off the car... but I have no reason not to trust the above numbers outside knowing that a pipe was used on the exhaust.
1.55" exhaust valve
Asked my porter to make sure and they were flowed with a 1 7/8 pipe because of the bore.
Can't wait to see the power this combination makes. As far as I know it is going to be a head only swap?
Thanks for your business!
from all of the TEA Employees!
04-26-2005, 04:11 PM
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I have done 4 sets of heads now on a local bench.
I use the same bench every time.
2 of the sets have been from sponsor's or formor sponsor's, and 2 sets have been local guys.
The sponsor's heads have out done the local heads, and the flow numbers have been closer as well.
I see what TEA's heads do on different cars and I would bet they flow close to what Brent says they do.
I use the same bench every time.
2 of the sets have been from sponsor's or formor sponsor's, and 2 sets have been local guys.
The sponsor's heads have out done the local heads, and the flow numbers have been closer as well.
I see what TEA's heads do on different cars and I would bet they flow close to what Brent says they do.
04-26-2005, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BrentB@TEA
Paris= TEA guy now formerly from SAM
1.55" exhaust valve
Asked my porter to make sure and they were flowed with a 1 7/8 pipe because of the bore.
Can't wait to see the power this combination makes. As far as I know it is going to be a head only swap?
Thanks for your business!
from all of the TEA Employees!
1.55" exhaust valve
Asked my porter to make sure and they were flowed with a 1 7/8 pipe because of the bore.
Can't wait to see the power this combination makes. As far as I know it is going to be a head only swap?
Thanks for your business!
from all of the TEA Employees!
And after having awsome heads, still has time to come on here and post.
This is what seperates TEA and AFR from everyone else.
Both do awsome quality work and the owners come on to help pimp their company.
04-26-2005, 04:14 PM
#6
Originally Posted by BrentB@TEA
Paris= TEA guy now formerly from SAM
1.55" exhaust valve
Asked my porter to make sure and they were flowed with a 1 7/8 pipe because of the bore.
Can't wait to see the power this combination makes. As far as I know it is going to be a head only swap?
Thanks for your business!
from all of the TEA Employees!
1.55" exhaust valve
Asked my porter to make sure and they were flowed with a 1 7/8 pipe because of the bore.
Can't wait to see the power this combination makes. As far as I know it is going to be a head only swap?
Thanks for your business!
from all of the TEA Employees!
I have a few improvements to go on the car... a couple exhaust things, a TPiS Oval LS6 intake & TB, lots of HPTuners work, and these heads (and some more HPTuners work).
I will do the intake/exhaust first though, and swap and dyno the heads seperately. Ive got the time and the curiosity.
And definitely some independant flow numbers so that I can show off as convincingly as possible
04-26-2005, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Visceral
OK... this is more than just Tony M bait
Seriously....great numbers. Hopefully they pan out on an "independent".
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04-26-2005, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo @ AFR
I'm looking at the hook......(it looks tasty!!)
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
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04-26-2005, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo @ AFR
I'm looking at the hook......(it looks tasty!!)
Seriously....great numbers. Hopefully they pan out on an "independent".
Seriously....great numbers. Hopefully they pan out on an "independent".
04-26-2005, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by narcszm
I don't know what all the excitement is about. The vent fan over my ******* flows at least twice that.
04-26-2005, 05:46 PM
#15
Originally Posted by Mike TexaSS
Your negative attitude really blows. You need a time-out. Sheesh.
(By the way, my "time out" whistle just blew....lol)
You misunderstood what I wrote....I was NOT being sarcastic. I was a bit baffled by your response and one of the guys read it and pointed out to me that you might have taken what I said sarcastically. I was actually having FUN with this one...as well as a few other people.
Guys...I dont expect all of you to buy AFR's, and although I am proud to be affiliated with the product and this company, there are certainly other very competent shops to purchase from. There are far to many products out there for ANYONE to be the "only game in town". I'm here to provide information for the people that are considering using our product, not to mention am geniunely interested in this hobby, especially related to the LS Gen III stuff for obvious reasons.
Back to our regular programing....
Tony M.
04-26-2005, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Tony was kidding, his comment was hilarious, I bust out laughing over here.
Although there was a slightly nervous tone to his post...
04-26-2005, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo @ AFR
Mike,
(By the way, my "time out" whistle just blew....lol)
You misunderstood what I wrote....I was NOT being sarcastic. I was a bit baffled by your response and one of the guys read it and pointed out to me that you might have taken what I said sarcastically. I was actually having FUN with this one...as well as a few other people.
Guys...I dont expect all of you to buy AFR's, and although I am proud to be affiliated with the product and this company, there are certainly other very competent shops to purchase from. There are far to many products out there for ANYONE to be the "only game in town". I'm here to provide information for the people that are considering using our product, not to mention am geniunely interested in this hobby, especially related to the LS Gen III stuff for obvious reasons.
Back to our regular programing....
Tony M.
(By the way, my "time out" whistle just blew....lol)
You misunderstood what I wrote....I was NOT being sarcastic. I was a bit baffled by your response and one of the guys read it and pointed out to me that you might have taken what I said sarcastically. I was actually having FUN with this one...as well as a few other people.
Guys...I dont expect all of you to buy AFR's, and although I am proud to be affiliated with the product and this company, there are certainly other very competent shops to purchase from. There are far to many products out there for ANYONE to be the "only game in town". I'm here to provide information for the people that are considering using our product, not to mention am geniunely interested in this hobby, especially related to the LS Gen III stuff for obvious reasons.
Back to our regular programing....
Tony M.
That was actually me on Mike's name. Whoopsies.
Your comment about the flow numbers 'panning out' was uncalled for. That's why your attitude sucks.
04-26-2005, 06:41 PM
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An interesting comparo with TEA Stage 3 AFRs, on the same flow bench.
----------Intake----Exhaust------AFR Intake--AFR Exhaust
.100------72--------52-----------68.1--------56
.200------151-------126----------141.2------124
.300------224-------187----------207.5------180
.400------274-------241----------261.6------235
.500------318-------260----------304.6------268
.550------335-------265----------323.4------275
.600------346-------267----------341.2------279
The AFRs were flowed with a 4.00" bore, though. I think it's impressive how similar the numbers are.
Brian Tooley, Brent, and others have said that the AFRs will hold a gasket down significantly better than GM castings. But Im purely NA... and so I'm very pleased at the price/performance here so far.
The AFR #s are from:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/197202-wait-over-stage-3-afr-details-inside.html
----------Intake----Exhaust------AFR Intake--AFR Exhaust
.100------72--------52-----------68.1--------56
.200------151-------126----------141.2------124
.300------224-------187----------207.5------180
.400------274-------241----------261.6------235
.500------318-------260----------304.6------268
.550------335-------265----------323.4------275
.600------346-------267----------341.2------279
The AFRs were flowed with a 4.00" bore, though. I think it's impressive how similar the numbers are.
Brian Tooley, Brent, and others have said that the AFRs will hold a gasket down significantly better than GM castings. But Im purely NA... and so I'm very pleased at the price/performance here so far.
The AFR #s are from:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/197202-wait-over-stage-3-afr-details-inside.html
