More 240SX Clutch Master Questions...
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More 240SX Clutch Master Questions...
I found this Tilton Master Cylinder on Summit...
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...0&autoview=sku
It's the 75 series. Has anyone used this or see any problem with using it? I don't see a bleeder screw, but that doesn't mean it's not there. The advantage I see is that it's shorter than the 74 series. Are some of you guys using the 74 Series? (what does Hinson use?)
The 74 Tilton Series...
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...0&autoview=sku
It's the 75 series. Has anyone used this or see any problem with using it? I don't see a bleeder screw, but that doesn't mean it's not there. The advantage I see is that it's shorter than the 74 series. Are some of you guys using the 74 Series? (what does Hinson use?)
The 74 Tilton Series...
Last edited by cnichols; 01-30-2007 at 09:18 PM.
#2
No info on 240sx swap, but the bleeder would be on the slave anyway. That's why the slave has those 2 hoses, one for master and one for bleeder.
Factory master is 3/4" bore x 1" stroke.
Factory master is 3/4" bore x 1" stroke.
#3
looks like what i got from hinson in that second pic. i got all that from him for like $80 i think. you would still have the same modding to do cause of the bolt pattern. and the bleeder there is under the valve stem thing (for bleeding the master). i also see that dont have the 90 degree fitting in the pic so that might be s/thing else you might have to get. which i think you will need cause there aint much room from there to the tower. unless that master is much shorter. cant remeber the name that hinson uses but it starts with "wil". its a popular brand i just dont know it.
#5
i just bought my clutch slave today. and notiecd it would make alot more since to get a 1/4" female fitting threaded into it and running it to a custom line to the master. atleast thats what im doing. im getting the Wilwood cms for like 50 bux that has the solid housing and is very short. i was concerned about the overall length of it and clearance to the strut dome.
#6
get the wilwood master cylinder kit with the resivour moulded into it . its 50ish from summit
fist thing you do is make a bracket out of 1/8 steel like in the picture
. its got two bolt patterns one for the stock 240sx and one for the wilwood
make holes for the studs that held the stock master to the firewall. measure the old master to get this deminsion. center of hole to center of hole
next drill the wilwood bolt hole demensions into the bracket . its 2 1/4 inches
next drill a large hole for the master cylinder body to fit threw it .
the bracket should look like the one in the pic . easy
next you are going to take the wilwood and drill out the mounting holes and tap to 10mm x 1.25 or 1.50 what ever you like . next you are goint to put a stud into those holes you taped . not very long . example in the pic above
then you are going to bolt the bracket to the master cylinder like in the pic
also another thing i found was that the push that comes with the wilwood is american thread . so what i figured out is . take the old push rod from the stock 240sx master cylinder and install it into the new wilwood cylinder . they come off with a c-clip if you look behind the cylinders. the push rods swap right over . this make the master cylinder a bolt on pice . it now attaches to the clutch pedal like stock . sweeeeet
only mod to the car is that you will need to trim some of the metal that comes off the firewall like in this pic . if not its gonna be a pita to get a fitting in there or run a hard line off it . run a hard line off that up and over the brake booster then back down towards the transsmission . easy
for the slave i welded a -4an fitting off of the feed line . chop the green quick disconnect gm fitting and weld to that .
for the bleeder i just welded a extension pice so that it stuck out . Outside the transmission better to access it with a wrench to bleed .
fist thing you do is make a bracket out of 1/8 steel like in the picture
. its got two bolt patterns one for the stock 240sx and one for the wilwood
make holes for the studs that held the stock master to the firewall. measure the old master to get this deminsion. center of hole to center of hole
next drill the wilwood bolt hole demensions into the bracket . its 2 1/4 inches
next drill a large hole for the master cylinder body to fit threw it .
the bracket should look like the one in the pic . easy
next you are going to take the wilwood and drill out the mounting holes and tap to 10mm x 1.25 or 1.50 what ever you like . next you are goint to put a stud into those holes you taped . not very long . example in the pic above
then you are going to bolt the bracket to the master cylinder like in the pic
also another thing i found was that the push that comes with the wilwood is american thread . so what i figured out is . take the old push rod from the stock 240sx master cylinder and install it into the new wilwood cylinder . they come off with a c-clip if you look behind the cylinders. the push rods swap right over . this make the master cylinder a bolt on pice . it now attaches to the clutch pedal like stock . sweeeeet
only mod to the car is that you will need to trim some of the metal that comes off the firewall like in this pic . if not its gonna be a pita to get a fitting in there or run a hard line off it . run a hard line off that up and over the brake booster then back down towards the transsmission . easy
for the slave i welded a -4an fitting off of the feed line . chop the green quick disconnect gm fitting and weld to that .
for the bleeder i just welded a extension pice so that it stuck out . Outside the transmission better to access it with a wrench to bleed .
#7
******* right on dude. thanks for the pictures. i was hoping that method would work and youve affirmed it. props to you sir
also you got pics of the bleeder mod you did? i thought the originally extra long bleeder was so it would stick out the casing??
also you got pics of the bleeder mod you did? i thought the originally extra long bleeder was so it would stick out the casing??
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#8
Originally Posted by datboibrad
******* right on dude. thanks for the pictures. i was hoping that method would work and youve affirmed it. props to you sir
also you got pics of the bleeder mod you did? i thought the originally extra long bleeder was so it would stick out the casing??
also you got pics of the bleeder mod you did? i thought the originally extra long bleeder was so it would stick out the casing??
thanks ..
the stock bleeder hardly sicks out of the tranny case . i made it so its no hassle easy to see and get a wrench on it . i dont have anypics tho .. forgot to take some befor i put the tranny on.
#9
hey just a question what was the round about length of your hardline? im thinking between 2-3 feet? im trying to setup all the chassis stuff up without having the motor in since im rebuiling the whole motor right now.
#11
i was lazy, if you have a welder you can make that bracket by welded carriage bolts to the plate, but the drill/tap is fine too.
fouz65 is hinson still advertising thier m/c as "bolt on"?
fouz65 is hinson still advertising thier m/c as "bolt on"?
#12
everyone is trying to make the swap weldless. at this rate its almost there lol. the only peice IMO that really has to be welded is that stupid crossmember. im going to attempt to make a bolt up tranny mount this week once i pick up my oil pan today and start finishing my motor mounts
#14
Originally Posted by ls1neezy
thanks ..
the stock bleeder hardly sicks out of the tranny case . i made it so its no hassle easy to see and get a wrench on it . i dont have anypics tho .. forgot to take some befor i put the tranny on.
the stock bleeder hardly sicks out of the tranny case . i made it so its no hassle easy to see and get a wrench on it . i dont have anypics tho .. forgot to take some befor i put the tranny on.
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had to weld a plate on the back side of the clutch pedal assembly then weld bolts that go through the firewal to hold on the master. Took me a good 4 hours said and done. I love helpin you guys
#17
Just to verify is this the master cylinder you guys are using by Wilwood? Also is it the 3/4 or 7/8" one? Thanks!
Wilwood MC
Wilwood MC
#19
It is actually a few cents cheaper from Summit Racing:
WIL-260-1304 MASTER CYLINDER 3/4IN A Shipped on 12/12/06 $49.95 1 $49.95
Parts Total: $49.95
Handling Charge: $9.95
Total Charges: $59.90
WIL-260-1304 MASTER CYLINDER 3/4IN A Shipped on 12/12/06 $49.95 1 $49.95
Parts Total: $49.95
Handling Charge: $9.95
Total Charges: $59.90