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Old 06-01-2010, 01:12 AM
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Question 6speed 6T45 FWD Trans Conversion?

If it could be done, would you guys do it?
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do it and i promise you most of us will find a way!
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DAMN 2minutes flat!! lol Provided the W-platform is as wide in the engine compartment of the Malibu, I'm fairly confident it can be done...I'm just doing a bit of market research as I was leaning towards doing the 6L80 in a GTO, but figured...hmmm...maybe the LS4 guys could use a 6 speed auto more than the GTO crowd. Plus I the conversion would be cheaper.
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Figure out how to mount the starter and you're on to something.
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There are acouple of w-bodies in southern ontario that have a built 6 speed from a g6 gtp swaped into them, so it can and HAS been done.
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It definitely sounds interesting.
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It'd be even better if it was an M6.
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Originally Posted by StealthV8
There are acouple of w-bodies in southern ontario that have a built 6 speed from a g6 gtp swaped into them, so it can and HAS been done.
That would be the F40 6 speed manual.

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If it could be done, would you guys do it?
I think you mean the 6T75. Our engines would murder the 6T45.

There are a lot of issues to overcome with this swap. There's the bellhousing pattern, transmission-mounted starter issue, and ECM/PCM and TCM issues just to name a few.

The 6 speed auto for the GTO would be cheaper since the C6 corvette with the LS2 comes with one (6L80).
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Originally Posted by StealthV8
There are acouple of w-bodies in southern ontario that have a built 6 speed from a g6 gtp swaped into them, so it can and HAS been done.
Is that 6sp manual or auto?
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Originally Posted by GXP25
That would be the F40 6 speed manual.



I think you mean the 6T75. Our engines would murder the 6T45.

There are a lot of issues to overcome with this swap. There's the bellhousing pattern, transmission-mounted starter issue, and ECM/PCM and TCM issues just to name a few.

The 6 speed auto for the GTO would be cheaper since the C6 corvette with the LS2 comes with one (6L80).
Well I think we have the ECM/TCM issue handled...will find out this week. I think we have a solution to the starter/bellhousing prob.
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LS4s have a 60* V6 FWD bellhousing pattern, so wouldn't it bolt up fine to the other trans? Or are they not on that pattern?

I'm still worried about the starter.

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueGTO
Is that 6sp manual or auto?
Its a 6 speed manual, one was a member on clubgp, he had a 05 grand prix gtp with a cartunning turbo kit and a 6 MANUAL. he used to always post threads about him taking down lambos, austin martins, etc.
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Originally Posted by AlabamaGuy
LS4s have a 60* V6 FWD bellhousing pattern, so wouldn't it bolt up fine to the other trans? Or are they not on that pattern?

I'm still worried about the starter.
Appreciated! But I assure you I have no intent of pushing anything on this thread because besides not owning a W-Body vehicle and respecting the Vendor policy, well...I don't have anything to sell. lol Once we complete our Traiblazer conversion, we will get sponsorship ASAP. Hopefully that will happen Friday.

That said, the next expansion of what we're working is what I'm just looking to get a feel for.

To answer/address the starter issue, from my preliminary research a few months, the unique issue that befalls you LS4 guys is that GM put that starter up at the 10 o'clock (I believe) position. The starter body facing/setting towards the transmission.



It should not present an issue as I believe that is the same position as the 6T75 (thank you for pointing that numeric error out GXP25)



The worst case that I can foresee is that a custom adapter has to be made to revolve the starter a bit to fit the cavity available on the transmissions' main case (seen at 12 to 1 o'clock position) and a more compact starter will need to be employed.


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read this http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/098254.html

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That pan is pretty cool!

I'm glad to see some progress!

I'd definitely be on board if this goes down.
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Very nice thread link. Love seeing guys everywhere with different vehicles tackling 'the impossible'!!

But, I'm not familiar with this F40 trans and how its shape compares to the 6T. Or for that matter what type of interferences the W-body has compared to the Fiero's engine compartment.
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A 6 speed auto would be top of my list for sure. Keep us posted.
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Originally Posted by TrueBlueGTO
Or for that matter what type of interferences the W-body has compared to the Fiero's engine compartment.
I would think less lol
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Originally Posted by AlabamaGuy
LS4s have a 60* V6 FWD bellhousing pattern, so wouldn't it bolt up fine to the other trans? Or are they not on that pattern?
Yes, the LS4 has the GM metric pattern. That transmission (6T75) doesn't. An adapter plate will be needed [and already exists]. However, the 6T70 will bolt up to the 3800 and LS4.


Originally Posted by TrueBlueGTO
Appreciated! But I assure you I have no intent of pushing anything on this thread because besides not owning a W-Body vehicle and respecting the Vendor policy, well...I don't have anything to sell. lol Once we complete our Traiblazer conversion, we will get sponsorship ASAP. Hopefully that will happen Friday.

That said, the next expansion of what we're working is what I'm just looking to get a feel for.

To answer/address the starter issue, from my preliminary research a few months, the unique issue that befalls you LS4 guys is that GM put that starter up at the 10 o'clock (I believe) position. The starter body facing/setting towards the transmission.



It should not present an issue as I believe that is the same position as the 6T75 (thank you for pointing that numeric error out GXP25)



The worst case that I can foresee is that a custom adapter has to be made to revolve the starter a bit to fit the cavity available on the transmissions' main case (seen at 12 to 1 o'clock position) and a more compact starter will need to be employed.

Be careful with those two pictures! The 6T75 and 6T70 have two different bolt patterns. As I mentioned above, the 6T70 will bolt up to the LS4. The 6T75 is the better option due to its "rigidity," per se. It will not bolt up. There has been talk of pulling out all of the internals from the two and swapping them, but an adapter plate is the logical route.

I'd be very interested in knowing how you've overcome the ECM/PCM and TCM "issues." Via PM please.

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