You guys lie about sfcs.
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You guys lie about sfcs. Well everyone knows that it is the consensus that sfcs are a great modification, they make a night and day difference you can feel "as soon as you leave the driveway".
I got some slp diamond style ones installed and I noticed nothing from them launch wise, handling wise, or anything. Considering i am running a cammed ls1 ttop car with full boltons and suspension i would expect to feel something. Heck, my stb makes more difference in handling. Yes i did do
My only reason for keeping them at this point is for frame reinforcement so i dont tweak it or anything.
Does anyone feel the same way?
My feeling is people claim a difference just to justify buying a set.
I got some slp diamond style ones installed and I noticed nothing from them launch wise, handling wise, or anything. Considering i am running a cammed ls1 ttop car with full boltons and suspension i would expect to feel something. Heck, my stb makes more difference in handling. Yes i did do
My only reason for keeping them at this point is for frame reinforcement so i dont tweak it or anything.
Does anyone feel the same way?
My feeling is people claim a difference just to justify buying a set.
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The main thing I noticed "as soon as I left the driveway" was a much stiffer ride. But the reason I put them on was the creases I developed in my quarter panels. I had them taken out, and many launches later, they haven't returned.
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They work...your car will not rattle and shake and your tops will fit properly much further down the road....BTW....NOT having them creates the CREASES.
I noticed the biggest difference when going over railroad tracks. It seems much stiffer. And it pointed out faults in my rear suspension; it now has wheel hop because the chassis no longer flexes. But that's just my car, your experience may vary.
Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
They work...your car will not rattle and shake and your tops will fit properly much further down the road....BTW....NOT having them creates the CREASES.
While I won't say anyone is lying (because some cars have issues that are helped by SFC's), I stand by my opinion, formed from talking to many hundreds of folks, and paying attention to other parts that those that have good shocks don't see as much of difference as those with crappy shocks. Keep the impacts out of the unibody in the first place.....
I sell SFC's. They are not in any way bad things. I just don't feel they are necessary like most others do. Then again, I have real dampers on my cars and always start there on customer's cars so it stands to reason I don't see as much change with them. BTW, I've had a few folks REMOVE them and see no change. But when they installed them they saw a huge help-the thing is in between they both went to Koni's from cheap shocks.
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I added SFC's last (after shocks, springs and swaybars) and noticed no difference. Mine are weld-in, so I'm not removing them, but I can't say it made a difference to me at all.
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Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
They work...your car will not rattle and shake and your tops will fit properly much further down the road....BTW....NOT having them creates the CREASES.
I have them in my car and I have lots of rattles. Saying two pieces of metal attached from one point of your chassis to the other will all of a sudden stop all of your car's rattles is insane. There's tons of things that can rattle in the car. How would the squeaks and rattles coming from the hatch get fixed by sfc's under the car?
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Originally Posted by Sam Strano
That's not true.... I've seen cars with SFC's develop the dimples after the SFC's were installed and there are cars w/o SFC's that don't have creases.
SFC's were one of the early mods on my T/A, probably around 2,000 miles. Now at 44k miles with LOTS of hard driving (drag, autoX, track days etc.) the car is rattle free. It does not have the rippled rear 1/4's, but my old '98 1LE Z28, which did not have SFC's but was also driven hard, did have them.
I have never used a shock tower brace (STB), and see no advantage in them whatsoever.
I have never used a shock tower brace (STB), and see no advantage in them whatsoever.
Originally Posted by pHEnomIC
Well everyone knows that it is the consensus that sfcs are a great modification, they make a night and day difference you can feel "as soon as you leave the driveway".
I got some slp diamond style ones installed and I noticed nothing from them launch wise, handling wise, or anything. Considering i am running a cammed ls1 ttop car with full boltons and suspension i would expect to feel something. Heck, my stb makes more difference in handling. Yes i did do
My only reason for keeping them at this point is for frame reinforcement so i dont tweak it or anything.
Does anyone feel the same way?
My feeling is people claim a difference just to justify buying a set.
I got some slp diamond style ones installed and I noticed nothing from them launch wise, handling wise, or anything. Considering i am running a cammed ls1 ttop car with full boltons and suspension i would expect to feel something. Heck, my stb makes more difference in handling. Yes i did do
My only reason for keeping them at this point is for frame reinforcement so i dont tweak it or anything.
Does anyone feel the same way?
My feeling is people claim a difference just to justify buying a set.
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I can say that I thought I felt a difference on my LT1 (at about 30K miles) right after installing KBDDs. I noticed less of a difference installing SLPs on my LS1 (less than 10K miles.) I can say that when I put my finger at the T-top joints and driving over the same irregularities in before and after the installs that there was definately less movement in the roof area. I would say the movement was lessened by double. Every car is different though. I don't regret getting them though.
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Originally Posted by Sam Strano
BTW, I've had a few folks REMOVE them and see no change. But when they installed them they saw a huge help-the thing is in between they both went to Koni's from cheap shocks.
Yes, the SFCs made a WORLD of difference when they were welded onto my car 5 years ago. However, I still had the ridiculous factory shocks.
Now fast forward five years, 20K miles, maybe seventy-five 1/4 mile passes and a few hundred autocross runs. I decide to take the connectors off last winter to drop down a class and I find that the car is almost imperceptibly different to the driver. Believe me, I've owned this car for 11 years and 110K miles so my butt dyno is quite sensitive to changes.
Passengers (ie. other racers and my wife) can't tell a bit of difference. Yet the car remains waaaaay better than when the connectors were installed.
After all that abuse, the car squeaks, rattles and shakes LESS now with the SFCs off than it did before they were installed five years ago. Why? Did the car heal itself? What changed?
The shocks.
I also wouldn't say that people lie about their SFC's. I didn't feel any severe handling differences after adding them. If someone thinks they felt a difference but there was none, then that's not really lying.
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T-tops on or off have nothing to do with it ... there are a lot of causes of rattles but the main ones are the cheap, hard, plasticky interior pieces and lousy shocks.
Solutions: 1. Buy a good set of shocks and install them. 2. Go through your interior, isolate the rattles, and shim, brace, stick, and insulate the offending pieces.
Forget about SFC's. They made my ride so much harsher that after a week I wanted to pull them off. Unfortunately, they were welded on so well that that was near impossible. So I've learned to live with them.
Solutions: 1. Buy a good set of shocks and install them. 2. Go through your interior, isolate the rattles, and shim, brace, stick, and insulate the offending pieces.
Forget about SFC's. They made my ride so much harsher that after a week I wanted to pull them off. Unfortunately, they were welded on so well that that was near impossible. So I've learned to live with them.