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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 12:21 AM
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ok so i never thought too much about it until tonite but how does it work? asuming you have the same rod and piston and use a longer stroke your piston is goana come out of the hole that much...you cant go down more without it commin up the same amount...in confused
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 01:00 AM
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Your right thats why rod length changes with stroke there is alot of physics involved with the dynamics of rod to stroke ratios.
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Rod length does not change with stroke. You normally use a 6.125 for a stock stroke crank with piston designed for it or a 6.125 for and aftermarket longer/shorter stroke crank and piston designed for it. But you can use the stock rod on a stock crank and a "stroker" crank as well. The difference in length is taken up by the compression height of the piston.

Rod/stroke ratio is not physics. It is merely a formula. Rod angularity and deeper subjects such as dwell are. But in most applications, people normally do not care to think about the other options.

Since a crankshaft goes in a circle, yes, that means it goes up the same amount it goes down by OVER stock stroke. It also goes side to side more. Alot of people dont realize that part, but it is completely happening. It is a circle after all and not a cylinder on the crank movement.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 11:58 AM
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so if you make the piston shorter and have a longer stroke doesnt that equal the same amount as a stock stroke and longer piston?

i only brought this up because i was thinking of sticking a bigger crank in my motor that has a stock crank now...guess thats a no go
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 01:38 PM
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You cannot have a stock stroke and a "longer piston" because the piston would pop out of the hole.

You can do that but you need 2 things. Decide on the stroke. For your engine i would recommend 4" max. That will build a 383. Then you will need a piston that will work with whichever rod you choose to use. either your stock length 6.100 rod or a 6.125 rod. This will help you decide.

We can offer a pretty good "budget" rotating assembly at $1800 that will get you the rods, bearings, rings, pistons, and crank that you need. To make sure the new crank is properly weight matched to the new pistons and rods, we offer balancing for $200 more. This includes a callies compstar C series crank, manley pistons, ackerly and childs rings, and forged rods 6.125.

Completely set up from us, so all you would have to worry about is a machine shop to put it in and clearance for the extra stroke. Then you are done.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 02:25 PM
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so if you make the piston shorter and have a longer stroke doesnt that equal the same amount as a stock stroke and longer piston?
Yeah pretty much. Go look at a Wiseco catalog and notice the compression height distances of the pistons for both stock stroke and stroker motors. The pistons for a stock stroke will be longer at about 1.30" and the pistons for a 4.00" and up will be shorter at around 1.10".

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i only brought this up because i was thinking of sticking a bigger crank in my motor that has a stock crank now...guess thats a no go
You could but it's not really feasible. Shelf pistons wouldn't really accomodate a stock rod and stroker crank.
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ok i got it...shorter piston explains everything
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Raised Pin Height, Notice the wrist pin is in the oil ring gland, all part of getting the quench you want:


Daniel, u better just let me build your motors....
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I imagine that raising the pin height has a little more to do with making sure the piston does not break through the head first off. Most aftermarket pistons are designed with ZERO deck in mind, but they can stick out up to .009 or so. When you take into account that measurement, it helps you check in the right head gasket thickness, which is where the rest of the quench factor comes in at.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 06:30 PM
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When we built my wifes 489 BBC, we went with a 1/4" longer rod also. The piston pin moved up in the piston 3/8". 1/4" stroker (1/8 up and 1/8 down) with a 6.385 rod (stock is 6.135). All this fit in a 454 block.

We used the 496 kit but .030 over instead of .060 over.
http://ohiocrank.com/chevbb_rotate.html
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Originally Posted by John@Scoggin
I imagine that raising the pin height has a little more to do with making sure the piston does not break through the head first off. Most aftermarket pistons are designed with ZERO deck in mind, but they can stick out up to .009 or so. When you take into account that measurement, it helps you check in the right head gasket thickness, which is where the rest of the quench factor comes in at.
That's where ppl get lost,always true your block up first[decking] measure what you took off,then you order pistons,pin height. you can order any wrist pin height,you know that......but alot of ppl dont. setting the quench is always the trick. once you order parts its too late if it's wrong. I just built another 6.0 iron block. measured the deck heights,one side was .030 higher than the other.really it was out of squareness by .015 each way,had to cut that block........those 300hp stock blocks dont know the difference. Atleast these ls engines dont have much core shift like the old 5.7's had. so many were not even usable to machine into anything square.
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