Hey Yall, Which converter do ya think I should get with 3.73s, mufflex catback, and some free mods? I am torn between either a ST3500 or a Vig 3600. I have heard that the ST likes 2.73s better than a deeper gear like mine....any truth???
I am runnin 12.80s @106 with a TCI 'verter but I am lookin for 12.5s. I have BFGs, and my best 60 is 1.87. I dont really worry about driveability.
Any suggestions would be helpful.

BTW..This has got to be one of the best info sources on the web. Thanx.


Stu
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I've heard the Vig. 3200 (which actually flashes up to somthing like 3800) LOVES 3.73's.

I saw a car at the track run a 12.2@110 with a lid/filter, full exhaust exhaust and the Vig. 3200.
Numerous others have had awesome results with this converter as well...

 

I have heard so much about the 3200 that I was leary of it thinkin that it was too good to be true. I might have to look more seriously now.

Thanx, Holes02 <img src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" border="0" alt="[devil]" />

 

I have a ST3500 and 3.73 gears in my heavy convertible. Too much for Nittos on the street, but just right with ET Streets at the track. Don't be fooled, the ST3500 works great with gears. The reason it works so well with 2.73 gears is that it's just so much a better converter, it really shines in a gear-hampered environment. Think about it...if it rocks with NO gear, just think what it will do when you actually run some gear.

 

This forum rocks!!!!

I get nothin but good info. I have read and absorbed almost everything I can to make a good decision but I guess in the end its a matter of choice. You make a great point Patrick G but what makes one better than the other? I want to eventually go 11.99 or 12.0 on the verter I buy and other bolt ons without breakin open the motor.
Hopefuly thats not reserved to the Raughammers and Texans of the world. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> I am figuring another 2-3 tenths with the new verter wich is 12.5s.
1-2 with LT's andY-pipe...12.4or 3s. Then what??
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[quote]Originally posted by LS1Lover:
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This forum rocks!!!!
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I want to eventually go 11.99 or 12.0 on the verter I buy and other bolt ons without breakin open the motor...I am figuring another 2-3 tenths with the new verter wich is 12.5s.
1-2 with LT's andY-pipe...12.4or 3s. Then what??
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Then take it to the next level, right now. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Get a ST 4000 or YTP 4000 or even the Raughammer special the YTP 4400. With 3.73s, 4000 stall is loose but pretty livable. You might get some manly tires too. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" />

 

Yank TP-4400!

If your looking for the quickest time at the track... except no substitute!

 

You have quite a few converters to choose from; that's why it's so hard to choose! <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> I really like my Vig 3200. It's going to take me into the 11's with a stock-internal engine, so you won't have to worry about it hindering you in that respect. I know of an '02 Formula that ran consistent 13.8's last September, and I watched it run a 12.5 today on ET Streets with a Vig 3200, lid, and ported MAF. His entire exhaust system is still stock! Even when you consider the difference in weather conditions, it's still a HUGE gain for the mods! It's an excellent street/strip converter. I've had mine in the car for 6,000 miles with zero problems or codes. If you can find a used Vig for sale that still has the free stall change, then you can have the original buyer send it back to P.I. to re-stall it to a Vig 3200. I usually see used ones going for $450-$525, so you could save some money by taking that route.
As for the Vig 3200/3.73:1 combo, it hits HARD! Once I get everything working well, I expect to see some 60' times in the 1.60 range with a 3,500#+ raceweight. At the track I cross the finish line right around 5,700 RPM's on 26x9x15" Hoosiers. Like Patrick's ST3500/3.73 combo, the Vig 3200 is hard to hook through 1st gear on the street when paired up with 3.73's. Do I regret upgrading to the gears with this converter? NO WAY! It feels great down the track, and it'll work even better once I have the heads/cam setup in place. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[Burnout]" />

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[quote]Originally posted by WILWAXU:
<strong>Yank TP-4400!

If your looking for the quickest time at the track... except no substitute!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would second that opinion.

 

The Vig is soundin real good right now but Damn, a TP4400!! I know all you hardcore guys are runnin it but are you tellin me that its gonna be able to help me out with basically a stock car.

By the way, Congrats Raugh on the new best. You really would recommend the 4400 huh. Are the Yanks anything like the PIs in that they stall several hundred higher than advertised? Cause I think I wouldnt like a 5000 stall on the street.EEK!!!

What size slicks should I buy if I get a 4400? I am runnin 295/50/15 BFG DRs on older RS rims.
Thanx fellas. Also WILWAXU, I am gona try to make the Fbody event in Cecil in May.
Stu
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Unkike PI, Yank converter's stall ratings are based exactly on your engine's torque curve...because of that, you'll find they will stall what they are labelled. A Pro Thruster 4400 is going to stall 4400 rpms, etc. As far as a PT4400 being too much for an internally stock motor...HA!! Nearly all of the top racers in the "stock internals" list run this converter. It's the best of the bunch. If you are looking at converters with less stall, the ST3500 still comes out over the Vig 3200. Why? It gives you comparable 60' times, better mph, higher rwhp at about the same price as the Vig.

Just remember, if you're going to add 3.73 gears with ANY of these converters, you're going to need ET Streets at a MINIMUM! Slicks would be even better.

 

[quote]Originally posted by LS1Lover:
<strong>The Vig is soundin real good right now but Damn, a TP4400!! I know all you hardcore guys are runnin it but are you tellin me that its gonna be able to help me out with basically a stock car.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Go to my Website... My car went 12.0's with basically a TP-4400 and ET Streets! It's still fairly close to stock... completely stock motor.

 

does vig have a 3400? but it would stall higher than 3400???


what's better vigilante or yank?

 

I have a 3200 Vig. in my 99 SS and my times decrease 5/10's of a second after I cured my traction problems. I also have 3:73 gears and they are a great combination. I have never had any issues or problems with this setup. For the street/strip, it is hard to beat. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

 

WILWAXU...Dang man 12.0s on converter and streets alone. Thats impressive as hell. What do you think I could expect with 3.73s? Also what were your shift ponts? How does it behave on the street?


Has anyone tried the big Vig? What does it stall at on a stock motor? I am overwhelmed at all the help I am gettin here. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

Hopefully me someday-- <img src="graemlins/camaro.gif" border="0" alt="[Chevrolet]" />

 

If drivability is no issue, the I would say TP 4400. But if you want it to not be too loose in traffic and everyday driving I would recommend the Vig 3200. From what I have researched the Vig loves 3.73's. That's the gear I will get soon. But, a guy who had his 3200 restalled to the Vig 3600 said that they both felt about the same as far as looseness. I would get mine restalled to a #7 pump (3600) but then I would be without a car for awhile. BTW, I bought my Vig used for $450 <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> Best money I ever spent.

 

At the race strip, I take at max @ 2200 RPM's from the line for the fastest ET. Other times I take off @ 1800 RPM's. Of course, this is using the 3200 Vig. If you are using Nitto's, it is imperative you do a 4 to 6 second burnout and up to 4000 and 5000 RPM's to heat the tires for max take-off. Hope this helps. Good luck. Kent. <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" />

 

Hey Kent, whats your combo and what kind of times are you runnin?

 

My car has mods as: LS1 Lid, K&F, G-MAF, MAFT, 17 inch Nitto's, carbon fiber driveshaft, HPP, Metco LCA, Hotchis Panhard, Hal shocks all around, Hotchis STB, FLP Headers with SLP Catback, have not cats. I have some skinnies and BFG drag radials with light wheels which I have never ran jet. I also have been advised that I should not used the G-MAF with the MAFT-they cancel each other out or something. I also have issues and problems with setting my shift points for my 3:73 gears, they shift as a 3:23 setup and when I run at the track, it hits my rev limiter. Anyway, with all of this said, my best time has been 12.43 @ 109. My car is stock as far as removing anything to save weight, this has not been done. With a little work, little planning, and cooler temperatures, I believe I could between 12.0 and 12.2 with my present setup. For some reason my car has gotten faster almost a tenth each time I went to the track last year. The milage on the car is only 6,300. I usually just drive it on weekends and occasional drag racing at the track. Because of the shifting issues I am now experiencing, I plan on contacting LG Motorsorts and have a cam install with custon tunning, Holley LS6 intake (alumium-to ice down-personal preference), and have subframe (G2) install. I wish I could get the heads, but am limited by the budget. Sorry to type too much, but just trying to help out.

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Dang Kent, sounds like an awesome combo. I had problems with the limiter right after the 3.73 install too. I had to set my HPP3 to +1 mph...on a 98...on the 1-2 shift and +3 mph on the others. Hope you get it straight.

Later, Stu