When racing a M6 in a stalled auto from a roll, in my mind it would be most beneficial to us if we raced at a low MPH (like 5 or 10), with some decent tire, and went on the second honk. You think that would give us an advantage over the 6 speed guys through 3rd gear? So that would be like 125-135 depending on the amount the stall slips...

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i would say the auto would have an advantage very early on but once you get going i think you might be in trouble. just a guess.

 

Depends on your setup....if done properly, you can hang and even pull one with similar mods. Lower speeds are an advantage to the auto, but with a good converter that has good topend, you can be right there with them at any speed.

 

how is your pt4400 on top end? i wonder how bad it would be if you sprayed it.

 

My topend is awesome....that's by far my favorite feature of the PT4400. I had a SS4000 before this, and it was okay on topend, but left a lot to be desired. Not so with the PT series. Yank told me this was the converter to go with if I wanted the best all around NA performance: hits hard from a dig, decently tight for daily driving, and insane from a roll. Of the three converters I've had, I'd say they nailed it with the PT series. They recommended the PT4000, but I always said if I did the PT series, it'd be the 4400.....I'll never look back.

As far as spray, not good with the PT4400, it's too loose and will blow right through. I've heard of some doing it with the PT4000 with some success, but I've heard the PT3800 is the one to use if you want PT performance and want to spray as well.

 

remember to brake stall the converter when roll racing. it will allow it to hit faster. an automatic only uses 3 gears to be at a 1:1 ratio a stick needs 4 gears. thats one less shift for the automatic, another advantage.

 

I never heard of break stalling a N/A automatic

 

Please enlighten us about this. I can understand with an extremely loose race converter...but theres no way a stockish, hell even a heads cam full weight car with a common 4l60e/verted car will hold any kinda 'brake stall' over about 2200 rpm.

OP - I'd just make sure you're in the optimum gear (highest gear possible PRIOR to the race), OR hit it on the 2nd honk because you'll have to wait for the downshift. Higher stall speed converters obviously work best above their advertised stall speed - they're gonna be slipping til above where they flash obviously (sometimes even higher).
Reminds me of when I raced an '03 cobra with my old '99 a couple years ago. This car had a TCI 4400 converter mind you... We hit it from a 60 roll, I was in the middle of 3rd gear, should have been in 2nd. Had I been in 2nd I wouldve stayed with him due to the top of the powerband. Since I was in 3rd and he was in 2nd (6 speed) I had to play chase, and he got out of it due to traffic when I was catching him...so in his mind I'm sure he thought he won.

 

Its simple say your doing mostly 40 rolls, drive your car in second gear and see the rpm. Now floor it and see the lag, log it with HPT if you can. Now drag the **** out of the brakes and hold the same mph. you will see alot higher rpm/TPS EVEN in a stock stall. Obviously the bigger the stall the bigger the difference. This is a VERY commin technique with the guys that have turbo's they brake boost to spool the turbo's up.

As far as enlightening Photochop, I dont think im up to that job. Given your kill story your not in the same zip code as a decent street racer and I dont feel the need to school a smart ***.

 

 

Stalls IMO usually suck on rolls. They jsut sounds like their revving really high just not going anywhere. I've had 2 and both were the same and my dad felt the same way in his LT1 car to. Fun from a dig, crap from a roll.

 

Not true, my vig 3600 has seen 2500 on the street tires and my old fuddle 3400 did 2800 on 315 nitto DR's.

 

I've actually tried brake stalling my car before... i just love lower rolls because a manual actually has to run entirely through the gear. i just flash to 4000 and start pulling....

 

Definitely like a 60 roll. And going on the second honk is cheating bitch

 

That's kind of a surprising statement....all three of mine were an improvement from a roll over stock. What kind did you have and what other mods?

 

Another advantage to brake stalling is if you have your TPS setting low enough in the downshift tables it will automatically pull you down into second so you dont have to manualy shift. I think I have mine set at 30%.

 

I had a PTC 3500 in my TH350, with MS4 cam TD's, LT's.

 

not to be a dick but y even roll race??? theres no point... i would never roll race for any amount of money or for fun.. its just pointless

 

Because 9 times out of 10 it isn't safe enough to stop and run from a dig. Take what you can get and most of the time roll racing is the easiest way.

I prefer dig runs since you have to be a good driver to run your car to it's true potential but sometimes it isn't possible

 

Never heard of roll racing being safer.....but thats just me