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Old 08-26-2009, 08:00 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32567404...tos/?GT1=43001

Found this article interesting and thought I'd post it up here.
Old 08-26-2009, 10:04 PM
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700,000 cars moved... not bad at all.


two months later you'll probably see a similar article:

400,000 cars repossessed...
Old 08-27-2009, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackened2k
700,000 cars moved... not bad at all.


two months later you'll probably see a similar article:

400,000 cars repossessed...

unfortunately I think your right
Old 08-27-2009, 08:23 AM
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we are still gonna end up paying for that in the long run.

how bout we all move to holland and just ride bikes?
Old 08-27-2009, 08:24 AM
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so japanese manufacturers had the most sales some one should crunch the numbers and see how much tax payer money is going to foreign companies. it is SO retarded the US is giving corporate welfare to foreign companies now. and we have how much of a deficit? how big of a debt?? wtf..
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Hey, Maybe the Japanese or the Korean governments will subsidize our vehicles in their homelands. We already import too many Foreign vehicles with our our taxes going to support them too.

With the top 4 best selling vehicles having their final assembly plants in the US it will be somewhat good for American Jobs.

Unfortunately the Prius, Elantra, Fit and Versa have no American content. We are supporting workers in Foreign countries with our tax dollars that are all but closed to our products.

Basically, We are the only nation in the world that preaches globalism while these these Foreign countries continue to take advantage of us. In addition these Foreign vehicles have to be shipped half way around the world on Diesel powered ships further contributing to global warming


The same people that complain about tax payers supporting GM seem to be silent when our own money is supporting Japanese and Korean jobs at a loss to our own.

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Originally Posted by Tainted

how bout we all move to holland and just ride bikes?
I'll pass... My cousin lives there and works for valvoline...she said it takes her between 1-2 hrs to go 15 miles to work! Must be alot of bikes in the way
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Originally Posted by TT632
In addition these Foreign vehicles have to be shipped half way around the world on Diesel powered ships further contributing to global warming
BTW...Ships don't run on diesel.
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In addition these Foreign vehicles have to be shipped half way around the world on Diesel powered ships further contributing to global warming
indeed, the largest ship in service right now gets 28ft per gallon (of bunker fuel burned )
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Originally Posted by z_speedfreak
so japanese manufacturers had the most sales some one should crunch the numbers and see how much tax payer money is going to foreign companies. it is SO retarded the US is giving corporate welfare to foreign companies now. and we have how much of a deficit? how big of a debt?? wtf..
11.7 Trillion, with an additional projected 9 Trillion in the next 10 years, Idk if that 11.7 includes the 1.8 Trillion deficit for this fiscal year though.
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Originally Posted by greysteel_M6
11.7 Trillion, with an additional projected 9 Trillion in the next 10 years, Idk if that 11.7 includes the 1.8 Trillion deficit for this fiscal year though.
christ... its like its so big they don't even care anymore. ehh whats another trillion? HA can you imagine if all americans were as financially irresponsible as our gov't??
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Originally Posted by Spoolin
BTW...Ships don't run on diesel.
i bet i could prove you wrong on that sir.
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Originally Posted by black84z28
i bet i could prove you wrong on that sir.
Please do...

(As long as you don't include ships that are not part of the commercial trade such as Military ships, FF's, fishingboats, and such. I'm talking fuel used for propulsion of commercial vessels, they don't run on diesel unless they are inside of the 25nm pollution zone off the State of California.)
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Originally Posted by Spoolin
Please do...

(As long as you don't include ships that are not part of the commercial trade such as Military ships, FF's, fishingboats, and such. I'm talking fuel used for propulsion of commercial vessels, they don't run on diesel unless they are inside of the 25nm pollution zone off the State of California.)
about 99% of the great lakes fleet runs off diesel, i know because i repair them.
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Originally Posted by z_speedfreak
indeed, the largest ship in service right now gets 28ft per gallon (of bunker fuel burned )
what one are you referring too?
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Originally Posted by black84z28
about 99% of the great lakes fleet runs off diesel, i know because i repair them.
Gotcha, Not very familiar with the great lake fleets and their requirements. Freshwater fleets operate under different environmental guidelines than the Saltwater fleets, similar to the EPA regulations in CA regulated waters I presume.

Originally Posted by black84z28
what one are you referring too?
Slow speed diesel engine's the world over are built and designed to work on HFO (Heavy Fuel Oil) or Bunker C. They consume about 44-50 barrels of fuel a day on a typical post-panamax Container ship. They can also run on Diesel when in areas of heightened enviromental concerns like the Great lakes and off the Ca coast.

Here's a post I made about 2 years ago regarding a ship I worked on, I too work on these engines and a Marine engineer as well as a Navigation officer. Diesel is too expensive to run on these ships on a Daily basis, last summer during the escalated high oil prices it would cost a ship 1.4 million for a fill up, and that was on the cheaper Bunker C.

http://www.performancetrucks.net/for...d.php?t=402343
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Originally Posted by black84z28
what one are you referring too?
this one>

thats awesome!! PM'd ya btw
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Originally Posted by z_speedfreak
this one>


that bitch is big but not as big as the 1500ft long oil jug that is floating out there.


spoolin..you could be very right about that. far as i know is these pigs run diesel but fuel oil is probably what they run. but i have seen the huge rooms that house the diesels. big big motors. these ships range from 600-1013ft on the great lakes. a few recently have been converted from steam to diesel and one is sitting and awaiting a conversion to a self unloader. cool stuff you learn about these boats. the ship that was with the edmund fitzgerald is sitting at bayship building co. in sturgeon bay wi. i usually work there during the winter.
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Originally Posted by z_speedfreak
indeed, the largest ship in service right now gets 28ft per gallon (of bunker fuel burned )
I thought my mileage was bad...
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Originally Posted by black84z28
spoolin..you could be very right about that. far as i know is these pigs run diesel but fuel oil is probably what they run. but i have seen the huge rooms that house the diesels. big big motors. these ships range from 600-1013ft on the great lakes. a few recently have been converted from steam to diesel and one is sitting and awaiting a conversion to a self unloader. cool stuff you learn about these boats. the ship that was with the edmund fitzgerald is sitting at bayship building co. in sturgeon bay wi. i usually work there during the winter.
Like I said I'm not familiar with the fresh water regulations but all M/V are labeled as Diesels but most of them run HFO Bunker C for cost reasons, however it does not burn as clean as diesel. That link of the engine build is labeled as a "diesel" ship but rarely does it use that as it's fuel. Also "post-panamax" = +1000ft long.
This was my last ship...



Overall length was 1053ft or so. Engine was rated at 66,000HP and 1,000,000 TQ


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