Resale value has nothing to do with it. Initial MSRP is exactly how cars are compared. Manufacturer sell to certain demopraphics and they will spend X amount of dollars. Someone who is going to spend 40,000 on a vehicle generally won't look at something in the 20,000 price range because they won't be comparable. BTW, both those cars stickered around 25k when new.

The GT was a "hey look at us" if I ever saw it. AMAZING car that was never meant to compete with the vette. Maybe the Viper, but more or less aimed at exotics.

Ford has the one sports car that you can buy in trims from 20-60k. Where as GM has two cars to cover that gap. Maybe Ford doesn't make commercials saying a GT500 is better than a Vette, but they're both RWD V8 coupes in the same price range which makes them competition.

 

Correct.
Now now now.. no hissing and honking. Take that silliness elsewhere.
I think you may be exaggerating a bit?
It does when it comes to someone wanting to buy a used car to use to go fast. Not that $$ has anything to do with the original discussion. It was just an afterthought that someone made to make a point that wasn't even valid.

 

This tread is dumb..... A ford motor powerd the cc, one of the fastest cars on the planet so what. a twin turbo lsx powers the fastest car on the planet, again so what. 100% of the people on this board cant afford a 800lbs chassie stuff with a twin turbo anything to break any records. SO WHAT!!!! I want to see this motor in action and how well it does with mod's.



RANT OVER

 

ohh and the no replacement for displacement still holds true. show me a 1.8 ltr that makes over 3k hp.

 

wooooww. lol as many good points that have been made. this thread is entirely pointless haha

 

Agreed. Feel free to lock it.

 

Well my first thought is that the 3.8 v-6 that g.m. used for their Grand Prix in 97 was rated at 195hp vs the 4.6's rating in 97 of 215hp. A state-of-the-art modern V-8 from ford making only 20 more hp than a family sedan from g.m. with almost a liter spotted to it is how anyone could have called it underpowered. Yes, it did get more power. But, for the market it was underpowered against its competition, the LS engined cars. At the time of its production the Mach 1 and the Cobras (pre-blower 03-04 cars)were typicallyslower and still lacked the torque.

 

The Mach1 and a stock WS6 are pretty darn tootin close.

 

That's true, at least among the manual versions of each car.
For some reason the automatic Mach 1s never seemed to perform nearly as well as the manual version, whereas the automatic LS1s weren't all too far behind (if at all) their manual counterparts in a straight line.
Also keep in mind that a base model/low optioned Z28 was notably lighter (and hence, slightly quicker) in stock trim then the more well equipped T/A WS6.

Has a bone stock Mach 1 has ever gone into the 12s (even if not, I'm pretty sure that it's capable of it in the right hands)? Of course we all know that a few bone stock LS1 F-bodies have done it.

 

Hence the "darn-tootin close" part . And the Ford 4spd automatics sucked donkey *****.

 

Ok it revs...so did the 4V Cobras...Ill wait for the finished product.

 

Yes but they didn't rev/make power quite as high as one would think that a 4.6L DOHC 32 valve motor would/should.
This new motor appears to be really going for that upper RPM power thing along with maintaining some solid bottom end kick, not unlike an LSx motor.

 

If it is already posted sorry, I just don't want to read all the posts. According to Hot Rod it had 412hp and 390tq.

 

yeah, hopefully this one doesn't need "a fix". I think ford has their **** together on this one, and should make a great car.

 

Exactly. For example, I believe someone has gotten a 13.0 with one.
:yes: That's why there is such a big time difference in stock cars between a ATX and a MTX 2v GTs.

 

hahaha you just dont get it lets see here

lets start off with fords 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 i will start off with fords number and put the cylinder that is equal to in bold

1=2 3=6 7=5 2=4 6=3 5=1 4=8 8=7

so what you end up with is a 2-6-5-4-3-1-8-7
still doesn't look right unless you start reading at one! then you have 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3 looks pretty familiar doesn't it??

now lets do fords 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
once again i'll start with fords cylinder number and put in bold what it equals to in a chevy
1=2 5=1 4=8 2=4 6=3 3=6 7=5 8=7

so what you get is 2-1-8-4-3-6-5-7
start reading at the 1 and stuff starts look pretty familiar again dont they?

if you dont believe me draw a diagram

 

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Makes perfect sense.

 

I've owned four Mustang V8 (and two Cougars and one T-bird SC) automatics (AOD, AOD-E, 4R70W etc.) and they were decent enough but not quite as solid as the 4L60Es in my GMs.
I will assume that the recent (2005-2010) 5 speed automatic performed much better, at least some of the tests I've read show that.

What I'm really hoping is that the 'new for 2011' 6 speed automatic in the Mustangs will be at least similar to GM's awesome 6 speed auto (which I've run 10s at over 125+ with in my Corvette), as far as I know the two companies actually partnered together many years ago to help co-develop 5, 6 & 7 speed automatics together.
From what I've read about the Mustang's new automatic's internal gearing, it will be a good one.

 

Hey, they upped the cubes, added a good plastic intake and a single blade tb...finally..... and it does make 412/390 for a 5.0, hell it's more than the LS6 did years back. They are moving in the right direction.

What does worry me.

The new MMFF article said they have optimized cams/headers already, meaning that when the aftermarket does get to it, it won't make as much power jump when modding begins BUT when you add a KB/Whipple, they should get pretty nasty and they still have a solid rear!

Most guys will be happy with the 412hp and call it a day, save for an exhaust, cai and some pullies. (old 5.0 mods )

I look forward to seeing them and I do believe they will be a great race for a stock LS3 Camaro, SRT8 Challenger. What more could you ask for?

I think they still only have a 5spd manual though....? No idea why.

 

I stand corrected.

Ford offers both 6 speed auto's and manuals! I breezed through the MMFF article too fast I guess..

Thanks LS1LT1


I guess we'll keep it open for the "I told you so's"