2011 Mustang 5.0L V8 Dyno Test
02-26-2010, 02:54 PM
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hahaha you just dont get it lets see here
lets start off with fords 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 i will start off with fords number and put the cylinder that is equal to in bold
1=2 3=6 7=5 2=4 6=3 5=1 4=8 8=7
so what you end up with is a 2-6-5-4-3-1-8-7
still doesn't look right unless you start reading at one! then you have 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3 looks pretty familiar doesn't it??
now lets do fords 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
once again i'll start with fords cylinder number and put in bold what it equals to in a chevy
1=2 5=1 4=8 2=4 6=3 3=6 7=5 8=7
so what you get is 2-1-8-4-3-6-5-7
start reading at the 1 and stuff starts look pretty familiar again dont they?
if you dont believe me draw a diagram
lets start off with fords 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 i will start off with fords number and put the cylinder that is equal to in bold
1=2 3=6 7=5 2=4 6=3 5=1 4=8 8=7
so what you end up with is a 2-6-5-4-3-1-8-7
still doesn't look right unless you start reading at one! then you have 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3 looks pretty familiar doesn't it??
now lets do fords 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
once again i'll start with fords cylinder number and put in bold what it equals to in a chevy
1=2 5=1 4=8 2=4 6=3 3=6 7=5 8=7
so what you get is 2-1-8-4-3-6-5-7
start reading at the 1 and stuff starts look pretty familiar again dont they?
if you dont believe me draw a diagram
I see what you did there.
03-05-2010, 02:17 AM
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blah blah blah So the all new 32v motor revs to 7000 rpm. So does a pushrod ls7. Big deal. Also the motor is done by 6500. 6500 to 7000 rpm was painfully slow. Forgive me for not really being impressed... The ls6 made pretty much the same horsepower and more torque 8 years ago with half the valves and only .7 liters more. Nothing earth shattering here.. Well maybe it is on the other side of the fence... a ford without a supercharger over 400 horsepower? the world must be ending! 
this is a chevy site and to be expected.. actually im proud that ford has made a motor with some ***** (without the need of a blower)finally im just not amazed by it.
Anyway... im betting this will be the same as the 32v mach1 vs the ls1. Bolt on cars a race could go either way, but once you crack the valve covers the 5.0 wont be making 500rwhp with a cam ported stock heads and exhaust. too bad the camaro is so heavy, holds the ls3 back.
this is a chevy site and to be expected.. actually im proud that ford has made a motor with some ***** (without the need of a blower)finally im just not amazed by it.Anyway... im betting this will be the same as the 32v mach1 vs the ls1. Bolt on cars a race could go either way, but once you crack the valve covers the 5.0 wont be making 500rwhp with a cam ported stock heads and exhaust. too bad the camaro is so heavy, holds the ls3 back.
03-05-2010, 10:14 AM
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I'm sure it will respond just as well to bolt-ons/H/C/I as any other modern V-8 engine (ex. LSx and 32v 4.6). All of these cars are choked up from the factory to pass emissions and conserve fuel. Remove the restrictive factory components and it will have just as impressive a gain as any other engine out there.
03-05-2010, 12:21 PM
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I'm sure it will respond just as well to bolt-ons/H/C/I as any other modern V-8 engine (ex. LSx and 32v 4.6). All of these cars are choked up from the factory to pass emissions and conserve fuel. Remove the restrictive factory components and it will have just as impressive a gain as any other engine out there.
I really think that Ford did a great job with this engine, and I don't know that the aftermarket will not be able to top it. The car has high flowing heads, high compression, revs somewhat high etc. What more could you really do to it.
It will probably respond well to bolt ons, but after that I just don't know. I think with the compression knocked down this motor will be impressive on boost.
03-05-2010, 01:01 PM
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I really think that Ford did a great job with this engine, and I don't know that the aftermarket will not be able to top it.
The car has high flowing heads, high compression, revs somewhat high etc. What more could you really do to it.
It will probably respond well to bolt ons, but after that I just don't know. I think with the compression knocked down this motor will be impressive on boost.
03-05-2010, 01:22 PM
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Well over? If it's making 412 at the crank now then it's probably safe to assume that it will be making in the range of 340-360 at the rear wheels depending on which transmission is chosen and type of dyno used.
Well over 500 can be classified as in the 520-530 range depending on one's opinion on what "well over" means.
520+ at the wheels would mean an increase of over 180rwhp
in some cases with just heads/cams/bolt ons?
Sounds a little optimistist but hopefully you're right.
Well over 500 can be classified as in the 520-530 range depending on one's opinion on what "well over" means.
520+ at the wheels would mean an increase of over 180rwhp
in some cases with just heads/cams/bolt ons?Sounds a little optimistist but hopefully you're right.
03-05-2010, 03:11 PM
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No, I am not. There are a few h/c/i 4v's making upwards of 400rwhp, but thats not really the norm. The guy was basically comparing 4v's to LS1's (or at least thats how I interpreted it) which is not a very good comparison.
Plus the price per HP NA on a 4V is outrageous. It's much better to go FI and make gobs more power for not much more money.
Thats asking alot in my opinion.
I am not being brand biased and just ragging on Ford or anything. I am discussing the engine and its potential.
Plus the price per HP NA on a 4V is outrageous. It's much better to go FI and make gobs more power for not much more money.
It will be an impressive boost. But it will be able to be well over 500rwhp N/A IMHO.
I am not being brand biased and just ragging on Ford or anything. I am discussing the engine and its potential.
03-05-2010, 03:22 PM
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No, I don't think you can expect 500rwhp NA out of this motor with typical aftermarket modifications. You'd basically have to build a full bred race engine out of it to approach those numbers.........and by then you wouldn't have much of anything still resembling a factory motor (not to mention you'd spend a small fortune doing it). I think the new 5.0 should do admirably with bolt-ons, but after that the majority of guys looking for bigger numbers will go with a power adder........it'll be far cheaper than trying to build some kind of high screaming NA race motor out of it.
And I'm definitely not trolling......hell, I own a Mustang.
If you don't understand why this new quad cam V8 won't do 500rwhp NA with typical aftermarket modifications, then you obviously don't know a whole lot about cars yet.
And I'm definitely not trolling......hell, I own a Mustang.
If you don't understand why this new quad cam V8 won't do 500rwhp NA with typical aftermarket modifications, then you obviously don't know a whole lot about cars yet.
03-05-2010, 05:22 PM
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No, I don't think you can expect 500rwhp NA out of this motor with typical aftermarket modifications. You'd basically have to build a full bred race engine out of it to approach those numbers.........and by then you wouldn't have much of anything still resembling a factory motor (not to mention you'd spend a small fortune doing it). I think the new 5.0 should do admirably with bolt-ons, but after that the majority of guys looking for bigger numbers will go with a power adder........it'll be far cheaper than trying to build some kind of high screaming NA race motor out of it.
And I'm definitely not trolling......hell, I own a Mustang. If you don't understand why this new quad cam V8 won't do 500rwhp NA with typical aftermarket modifications, then you obviously don't know a whole lot about cars yet.
And I'm definitely not trolling......hell, I own a Mustang.
If you don't understand why this new quad cam V8 won't do 500rwhp NA with typical aftermarket modifications, then you obviously don't know a whole lot about cars yet.
03-06-2010, 08:27 AM
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your being very optimistic about this motor. 500rwhp is about 590 flywheel horsepower with 15% drivetrain loss. In a 5 liter.
yea sorry i dont foresee that engine making 118 horsepower per liter. And im very sorry to even bring up this ricer speak of hp/liter but i dont see a way a streetable motor will make that. The only motor around that does is the honda s2000 2.0 liter and they have to rev it to 9000 rpm..
Besides, no one(or atleast a vast majority of ppl) in their right mind will spend the money it costs to internally modify these engines just like the 4.6. With a 32v ford its just way cheaper to go FI, and theres nothing wrong with that. FI is never a bad thing on anycar.
All i hope is ford doesnt have another 2001 on their hands with all this hype One thing i dont understand about ford though... they have a 5.4 in the gt500....with a blower. why not in the gt sans blower?
yea sorry i dont foresee that engine making 118 horsepower per liter. And im very sorry to even bring up this ricer speak of hp/liter but i dont see a way a streetable motor will make that. The only motor around that does is the honda s2000 2.0 liter and they have to rev it to 9000 rpm..
Besides, no one(or atleast a vast majority of ppl) in their right mind will spend the money it costs to internally modify these engines just like the 4.6. With a 32v ford its just way cheaper to go FI, and theres nothing wrong with that. FI is never a bad thing on anycar.
All i hope is ford doesnt have another 2001 on their hands with all this hype
One thing i dont understand about ford though... they have a 5.4 in the gt500....with a blower. why not in the gt sans blower?
03-06-2010, 10:15 AM
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The new 5.0 is actually a much more efficient design that is capable of better numbers out of the box. The 4V 5.4 in the Shelby is a much older design (and is likely to be completely replaced by the new 5.0 in the not so distant future).
03-06-2010, 12:01 PM
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And this is probably the main reason: