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Edmunds - 2011 Dodge Charger R/T HEMI and the original General Lee Charger R/T 440 Dodge's Latest Against Hollywood's Greatest
7.2 and 5.7 liters of Mopar power! 2011 Charger R/T net 370 horsepower is actually greater than the 1969 Charger R/T 440's gross-rated 375 hp.
By John Pearley Huffman, Contributor | Published Mar 14, 2011
The only way to do this test right was to recruit an actual General Lee for a test. No, not just a '69 Charger somebody painted orange to look like the General, but an actual survivor from the set of the TV series. That's right, a General Lee that was actually used in filming the show, authentic from the top of its haphazardly painted roof to the bottom of its correct American Racing Vector wheels. The real thing.
Not an easy thing to do. Real General Lees were sacrificed for our entertainment. According to Ben Jones, who played Cooter on The Dukes of Hazzard, as well as builders involved with the show, 256 General Lees were used to film the series. Others claim about 321 were used in the series. Regardless of the number, only a handful remain, and they are big-buck collectors' items.
And so we called Bob Hartwig, a former airline pilot who now works at Cinema Vehicle Services. He's also a collector of movie and television star cars. Hartwig said yes.
"It's the only R/T 440 left from the original show," he explains while removing the straps that hold his prize General Lee to its trailer. "When the show went off the air in 1985 there were still about 17 General Lee Chargers left. They auctioned those off. And I bought this one from the guy who bought it at the auction."
Jacked up on its rear leaf springs, Hartwig's General has the attitude we all remember from the series. But get up next to it, and the reality of how Chargers were treated during production of the show is apparent. Hartwig hasn't restored this car to pristine condition, instead choosing to keep it in as close to the state it was in when filming concluded. There are dents, dings, scratches and enough patina to document this muscle car's 42 years of hard use, including more than a few drunken dirt road runs after late nights at the Boar's Nest.
In other words, it's frickin' beautiful, and it's here at California Speedway on a cool February morning ready to take on its shiny new grandchild, the 2011 Dodge Charger R/T.
The General Lee Fantasy
With no two wheels pointed in exactly the same direction, the General was a handful in the slalom. The new Charger R/T twirls on the skid pad like Oksana Baiul if she had been dipped in burnt orange metallic paint.
It won't show up in any marketing research, but the reason anyone will buy a new 2011 Dodge Charger is the fantasy that it's really the General Lee. It's the dream of sliding across that big orange hood, leaping in through an open window, drifting across dirt roads, eluding Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane and jumping a 400-foot-wide creek. It's the dream of freedom, joy, implausible indestructibility and being a Duke boy in Hazzard County.
Actually we'd bet you our last pair of Daisy Dukes that it does show up in the marketing research. But Dodge doesn't share that with anyone.
Of course there have been Chargers other than the General Lee that have given the name some cultural heft. There's the 1969 Charger Daytona Big Willie Robinson drove around Los Angeles when he was organizing the Brotherhood of Street Racers. There are the Chargers Richard Petty drove to NASCAR championships in 1973 and '74. And of course there are all the Chargers that have been featured in movies like Bullitt, Dirty Mary Crazy Larry, Blade and most recently Quentin Tarantino's Death Proof, and that black, blown '70 Charger that scares Vin Diesel so much in the Fast and Furious movies.
But despite all that, the Charger that matters most is the General Lee from The Dukes of Hazzard television show that ran on CBS from 1979-'85. It's the big coupe millions of us grew up watching fly. Millions who have grown up to find themselves smack in the middle of the current Charger sedan's sales target demographic.
Generally General
Whatever happened to cool hidden headlamps? Would the new Charger look great with hidden headlamps?
According to Hartwig's estimate, 60 percent of his General Lee's sloshed-on orange paint is as it was laid on at Warner Bros. The roof's flag has been replaced, but the "General Lee" lettering above each door is vintage and the "01" graphics on the doors are cracked and fractured. The front bumper is munched, all the plastic pieces show weathering and the interior has been re-dyed. The truth is, back then, the producers of Dukes didn't see the Chargers they were consuming as collectibles or classics. They were simply disposable props. And they were treated as the throwaways they were. Why waste time trying to get the paint perfect when there's fresh donuts to be eaten over at the catering truck?
However, original doesn't mean this can didn't come ready to run. Hartwig has rebuilt the General's 440-cubic-inch (7.2-liter) Magnum V8 so it runs stronger than its original 375 horsepower. It also fires up with roar, as you'd expect, and settles into an appropriate '60s muscle car idle, complete with just the right amount of rumpity-rump.
And the rest of the drivetrain is in excellent shape, too. Its Torqueflite three-speed automatic and solid rear axle, packing a limited-slip differential and 3.55:1 gears, are a time-tested combination that stood up to anything our test-driver Mike Monticello could dish out.
In sum, it's a General Lee ready for a really big jump! Only this one never got a chance to commit on-screen automotive suicide.
Not the General
Retro styling throwbacks can be found everywhere inside and outside the 2011 Charger.
Unlike the General Lee, the 2011 Charger R/T drives into California Speedway under its own air-conditioned, computer-controlled power, wearing "Toxic Orange" paint that's about as close to the General Lee's color as the factory currently offers. It's not really that close; in fact, it's more '60s psychedelic than late '70s kitsch, but it's a blistering shade anyhow.
There are substantive mechanical changes to the 2011 Charger, but the most obvious tweaks are stylistic. And most of these tweaks are lifted straight off the 1968-'70 Charger.
In silhouette, the 2011 Charger isn't much different from the four-door sedan that first wore the name as a 2006 model. After all, the 2011 Charger still rides on the same Mercedes-derived LX platform as the '06 car, still rides on the 120.2-inch wheelbase and the greenhouse is more or less carryover. It's details like the twin depressions in the hood, the scallops carved into the doors and the double-sided hockey-stick taillights that come over directly from the General Lee-generation Charger.
"I know all those styling bits come over from the old Charger," Bob Hartwig noted in seeing his General Lee next to the new Charger. "But these cars don't look anything alike."
And he's right. They don't.
That, however, doesn't mean that this latest restyling is unsuccessful. The '06 car was generic; it could have been an Intrepid, Monaco or Coronet. This one, on the other hand, despite those hideous chrome wheels and that silly rear spoiler, looks more like a Charger should. It's bolder, more aggressive and polarizing.
If you don't like how this car looks, give it up and go buy a Taurus.
Got the New Hemi
The regal 440 Magnum. Rebuilt, it now makes about 400 horsepower. The engine bay is still painted the car's original bronze color. The new Charger R/T's 5.7-liter Hemi nests under this heinous piece of black plastic.
Under the new Charger's hood is the 5.7-liter Hemi V8, which we've been praising for years. Now rated at 370 hp at 5,250 rpm and a chunky 395 pound-feet of torque at 4,200 rpm, it features Chrysler's fuel-saver technology that shuts down four cylinders for better fuel economy when their power isn't needed. Um, we wouldn't be using that fuel saver stuff during this test.
The new Hemi, like the old Hemi, is a pushrod, overhead-valve engine with an iron block, and it has an eager personality thanks to variable cam timing and a stiff 10.5:1 compression ratio. However, with its contemporaries moving on to six-, seven- or eight-speed automatic transmissions, the Charger R/T's mandatory five-speed box is antiquated.
All-wheel drive is now offered with the R/T package for the first time in 2011, but it makes burnouts and powerslides impossible and should therefore only be purchased by nuns and men named Stacey. Our orange test car, like the General Lee, was driven by its rear wheels, just as Bo, Luke and Cooter would want it.
7.2 and 5.7 liters of Mopar power! 2011 Charger R/T net 370 horsepower is actually greater than the 1969 Charger R/T 440's gross-rated 375 hp.
By John Pearley Huffman, Contributor | Published Mar 14, 2011
The only way to do this test right was to recruit an actual General Lee for a test. No, not just a '69 Charger somebody painted orange to look like the General, but an actual survivor from the set of the TV series. That's right, a General Lee that was actually used in filming the show, authentic from the top of its haphazardly painted roof to the bottom of its correct American Racing Vector wheels. The real thing.
Not an easy thing to do. Real General Lees were sacrificed for our entertainment. According to Ben Jones, who played Cooter on The Dukes of Hazzard, as well as builders involved with the show, 256 General Lees were used to film the series. Others claim about 321 were used in the series. Regardless of the number, only a handful remain, and they are big-buck collectors' items.
And so we called Bob Hartwig, a former airline pilot who now works at Cinema Vehicle Services. He's also a collector of movie and television star cars. Hartwig said yes.
"It's the only R/T 440 left from the original show," he explains while removing the straps that hold his prize General Lee to its trailer. "When the show went off the air in 1985 there were still about 17 General Lee Chargers left. They auctioned those off. And I bought this one from the guy who bought it at the auction."
Jacked up on its rear leaf springs, Hartwig's General has the attitude we all remember from the series. But get up next to it, and the reality of how Chargers were treated during production of the show is apparent. Hartwig hasn't restored this car to pristine condition, instead choosing to keep it in as close to the state it was in when filming concluded. There are dents, dings, scratches and enough patina to document this muscle car's 42 years of hard use, including more than a few drunken dirt road runs after late nights at the Boar's Nest.
In other words, it's frickin' beautiful, and it's here at California Speedway on a cool February morning ready to take on its shiny new grandchild, the 2011 Dodge Charger R/T.
The General Lee Fantasy
With no two wheels pointed in exactly the same direction, the General was a handful in the slalom. The new Charger R/T twirls on the skid pad like Oksana Baiul if she had been dipped in burnt orange metallic paint.
It won't show up in any marketing research, but the reason anyone will buy a new 2011 Dodge Charger is the fantasy that it's really the General Lee. It's the dream of sliding across that big orange hood, leaping in through an open window, drifting across dirt roads, eluding Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane and jumping a 400-foot-wide creek. It's the dream of freedom, joy, implausible indestructibility and being a Duke boy in Hazzard County.
Actually we'd bet you our last pair of Daisy Dukes that it does show up in the marketing research. But Dodge doesn't share that with anyone.
Of course there have been Chargers other than the General Lee that have given the name some cultural heft. There's the 1969 Charger Daytona Big Willie Robinson drove around Los Angeles when he was organizing the Brotherhood of Street Racers. There are the Chargers Richard Petty drove to NASCAR championships in 1973 and '74. And of course there are all the Chargers that have been featured in movies like Bullitt, Dirty Mary Crazy Larry, Blade and most recently Quentin Tarantino's Death Proof, and that black, blown '70 Charger that scares Vin Diesel so much in the Fast and Furious movies.
But despite all that, the Charger that matters most is the General Lee from The Dukes of Hazzard television show that ran on CBS from 1979-'85. It's the big coupe millions of us grew up watching fly. Millions who have grown up to find themselves smack in the middle of the current Charger sedan's sales target demographic.
Generally General
Whatever happened to cool hidden headlamps? Would the new Charger look great with hidden headlamps?
According to Hartwig's estimate, 60 percent of his General Lee's sloshed-on orange paint is as it was laid on at Warner Bros. The roof's flag has been replaced, but the "General Lee" lettering above each door is vintage and the "01" graphics on the doors are cracked and fractured. The front bumper is munched, all the plastic pieces show weathering and the interior has been re-dyed. The truth is, back then, the producers of Dukes didn't see the Chargers they were consuming as collectibles or classics. They were simply disposable props. And they were treated as the throwaways they were. Why waste time trying to get the paint perfect when there's fresh donuts to be eaten over at the catering truck?
However, original doesn't mean this can didn't come ready to run. Hartwig has rebuilt the General's 440-cubic-inch (7.2-liter) Magnum V8 so it runs stronger than its original 375 horsepower. It also fires up with roar, as you'd expect, and settles into an appropriate '60s muscle car idle, complete with just the right amount of rumpity-rump.
And the rest of the drivetrain is in excellent shape, too. Its Torqueflite three-speed automatic and solid rear axle, packing a limited-slip differential and 3.55:1 gears, are a time-tested combination that stood up to anything our test-driver Mike Monticello could dish out.
In sum, it's a General Lee ready for a really big jump! Only this one never got a chance to commit on-screen automotive suicide.
Not the General
Retro styling throwbacks can be found everywhere inside and outside the 2011 Charger.
Unlike the General Lee, the 2011 Charger R/T drives into California Speedway under its own air-conditioned, computer-controlled power, wearing "Toxic Orange" paint that's about as close to the General Lee's color as the factory currently offers. It's not really that close; in fact, it's more '60s psychedelic than late '70s kitsch, but it's a blistering shade anyhow.
There are substantive mechanical changes to the 2011 Charger, but the most obvious tweaks are stylistic. And most of these tweaks are lifted straight off the 1968-'70 Charger.
In silhouette, the 2011 Charger isn't much different from the four-door sedan that first wore the name as a 2006 model. After all, the 2011 Charger still rides on the same Mercedes-derived LX platform as the '06 car, still rides on the 120.2-inch wheelbase and the greenhouse is more or less carryover. It's details like the twin depressions in the hood, the scallops carved into the doors and the double-sided hockey-stick taillights that come over directly from the General Lee-generation Charger.
"I know all those styling bits come over from the old Charger," Bob Hartwig noted in seeing his General Lee next to the new Charger. "But these cars don't look anything alike."
And he's right. They don't.
That, however, doesn't mean that this latest restyling is unsuccessful. The '06 car was generic; it could have been an Intrepid, Monaco or Coronet. This one, on the other hand, despite those hideous chrome wheels and that silly rear spoiler, looks more like a Charger should. It's bolder, more aggressive and polarizing.
If you don't like how this car looks, give it up and go buy a Taurus.
Got the New Hemi
The regal 440 Magnum. Rebuilt, it now makes about 400 horsepower. The engine bay is still painted the car's original bronze color. The new Charger R/T's 5.7-liter Hemi nests under this heinous piece of black plastic.
Under the new Charger's hood is the 5.7-liter Hemi V8, which we've been praising for years. Now rated at 370 hp at 5,250 rpm and a chunky 395 pound-feet of torque at 4,200 rpm, it features Chrysler's fuel-saver technology that shuts down four cylinders for better fuel economy when their power isn't needed. Um, we wouldn't be using that fuel saver stuff during this test.
The new Hemi, like the old Hemi, is a pushrod, overhead-valve engine with an iron block, and it has an eager personality thanks to variable cam timing and a stiff 10.5:1 compression ratio. However, with its contemporaries moving on to six-, seven- or eight-speed automatic transmissions, the Charger R/T's mandatory five-speed box is antiquated.
All-wheel drive is now offered with the R/T package for the first time in 2011, but it makes burnouts and powerslides impossible and should therefore only be purchased by nuns and men named Stacey. Our orange test car, like the General Lee, was driven by its rear wheels, just as Bo, Luke and Cooter would want it.
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Orange Peeling
The General's tail features a black sail panel and hockey-stick taillights. The 2011 Charger's tail has hockey-stick taillights, but is inspired by the 1970 design moreso than the 1969.
Get past the orange paint and the Confederate battle flag painted on its roof. The essential element in the General Lee's massive charisma is that it's a '69 Charger. And while that second generation of Charger may not be everybody's favorite muscle car shape, it's in everyone's top 10. Make that top five. Even at 42 years old, the old Charger's perfectly proportioned shape, sweet details, blunt split nose, tunneled rear window and chrome fuel door are timelessly cool. This is America on a 117-inch wheelbase.
Hartwig's well-aged General Lee, the number registered on its odometer meaningless, did its species proud. The acceleration runs were an exercise in trying to tame wheelspin, but a dab of power braking and a gentle touch had the car ramming its way to 60 mph in 6.2 seconds (5.9 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). It went on to pummel the quarter-mile in 14.3 seconds at 99.3 mph.
Bud Lindemann's TV series Car and Track tested the NASCAR-ready 1969 Charger 500 with the 425-hp 426 Hemi and measured its 0-60 time at 6.9 seconds. And the 440 was supposedly down 50 hp from that. So this General's heart is pumping. We should also give some credit for the additional acceleration to the extra grip of the General Lee's modern BF Goodrich Radial T/A tires. They measure 225/70R15 out back and 225/70R14 in front, and they're undoubtedly the only part on the car engineered after Daisy joined the Cougar ranks.
Lindemann's 1969 mind may have perceived the Charger as a handler, but it really wasn't. And it still isn't. The steering is loose, the independent front torsion bar and solid axle on leaf springs rear suspension was outmoded even in 1969. It's a car built to understeer massively and it does.
On the slalom course the General Lee felt as if it were going to keel over and scrape the numbers off its doors. It managed to barge through the cones at just 56.9 mph. Considering its obstinate behavior during its skid pad orbits, the 0.74g measured there is almost shockingly good.
But the brakes were even worse. Of course there's no ABS, the front discs are tiny and the General puts 58.7 percent of its 3,699 pounds over its front wheels. So maybe the 181-foot stopping distance shouldn't be a surprise. It's still kind of shocking. In everyday driving (and this car will never again be a commuter), the General Lee would be plowing through the front doors of every Starbucks it passed.
Modern Manners
The General Lee features fourteen inches of Vector wheel fury!The 2011 Charger features twenty inches of blinding chrome.
In every measurable dynamic, the new Charger R/T blows away the General Lee — likely to no one's shock at all. Power brake a bit, let the wheels slip slightly with the traction control system off, and the 2011 Charger R/T gallops to 60 mph in 5.4 seconds (5.1 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip), with the quarter-mile consumed in 13.7 seconds at 102.8 mph. A solid performance by 21st-century standards and impressive in light of the fact that this is a porky 4,315-pound sedan that the EPA rates at 16 mpg in the city and a fine 25 mpg on the highway.
Of course the rack-and-pinion steering has more feel and is much more precise than the General's. Naturally the new Charger's all coil-sprung, all-independent suspension is more supple than the General's. And, naturally, its four 245/45R20 all-season Firestone Firehawk GTV tires produce superior stick.
Yet the new Charger still handles like a Charger. There's plenty of body lean and loads of understeer through the slalom and on the skid pad. With the stability control off, the 64.1-mph slalom number is sub-middling and the 0.81g generated on the skid pad is modest. An aluminum-block version of the new Hemi could knock a hundred pounds off the nose and improve things.
Both the old Charger and the new one were built to chase the horizon in comfortable cruises, and both do it well. There aren't many cars at any price that ride better than a new Charger. And there aren't any cars that look better than a '69 Charger at cruise.
The Big Jump
Warner Brothers would re-dye the interior of every Charger it used in Dukes to match. Parts of this interior come from other long-dead General Lees. The new Charger's interior is a vast improvement both ergonomically and in materials quality. It is the best Mopar muscle car interior ever.
The 2011 Charger's new interior feels high quality from door handle to shifter and steering wheel. It's a great leap forward for Dodge, and necessary, as every other manufacturer has been improving interior quality. The General Lee's interior, on the other hand, is dominated by a big roll bar, a lot of beige dye and loads of both wear and tear.
The standards for both comfort and performance have come a long way in 42 years, and even if Bob Hartwig's General Lee had shown as a pristine, brand-new 1969 Charger R/T 440, the 2011 edition would be the better everyday companion.
But our elevated expectations of comfort and performance have also brought with it a numbing isolation. The new Charger R/T doesn't have anything even close to the raw mechanical thrills of the General Lee. Get behind the wheel of that massive old orange car and you can feel it rock with the engine's idle; you can hear the secondaries open on its four-barrel carburetor as you dip into the throttle and your soul jumps even before the exhaust roars. For a few moments you believe the General Lee can fly. And for a few moments there isn't a better place to be in the world.
Maybe Dodge has already figured out how to engineer that snorting edge into the upcoming 2012 Charger SRT8. But if it hasn't, it ought to be trying.
Ultimately the faster and better-handling 2011 Dodge Charger R/T is without a doubt the car you want to be in if Roscoe and Enos are on your tail. It's also more comfortable than the General Lee, safer than the General Lee, more fuel-efficient and it has Bluetooth, satellite navigation and most importantly an iPod hookup so you can listen to your Waylon Jennings collection all day and all night.
But thanks to modern-day safety regulations, emissions regulations, noise regulations, fuel economy standards, focus groups, CAD CAM designs and wind tunnel shapes, the General Lee is just cool in a way the new Charger will never be. And that is why it wins this test.
Yeehaw!
Speed Read
1st Place: The General Lee - Antiquated hardware, dismal fuel economy and its complete lack of nearly everything can't diminish its over-the-top cool factor. A time capsule from a better time.
2nd Place: 2011 Dodge Charger R/T - The one to buy if you really plan to outrun the law, commute to work or date women with teeth. A wonderful high-performance sedan by any measure.
The General's tail features a black sail panel and hockey-stick taillights. The 2011 Charger's tail has hockey-stick taillights, but is inspired by the 1970 design moreso than the 1969.
Get past the orange paint and the Confederate battle flag painted on its roof. The essential element in the General Lee's massive charisma is that it's a '69 Charger. And while that second generation of Charger may not be everybody's favorite muscle car shape, it's in everyone's top 10. Make that top five. Even at 42 years old, the old Charger's perfectly proportioned shape, sweet details, blunt split nose, tunneled rear window and chrome fuel door are timelessly cool. This is America on a 117-inch wheelbase.
Hartwig's well-aged General Lee, the number registered on its odometer meaningless, did its species proud. The acceleration runs were an exercise in trying to tame wheelspin, but a dab of power braking and a gentle touch had the car ramming its way to 60 mph in 6.2 seconds (5.9 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). It went on to pummel the quarter-mile in 14.3 seconds at 99.3 mph.
Bud Lindemann's TV series Car and Track tested the NASCAR-ready 1969 Charger 500 with the 425-hp 426 Hemi and measured its 0-60 time at 6.9 seconds. And the 440 was supposedly down 50 hp from that. So this General's heart is pumping. We should also give some credit for the additional acceleration to the extra grip of the General Lee's modern BF Goodrich Radial T/A tires. They measure 225/70R15 out back and 225/70R14 in front, and they're undoubtedly the only part on the car engineered after Daisy joined the Cougar ranks.
Lindemann's 1969 mind may have perceived the Charger as a handler, but it really wasn't. And it still isn't. The steering is loose, the independent front torsion bar and solid axle on leaf springs rear suspension was outmoded even in 1969. It's a car built to understeer massively and it does.
On the slalom course the General Lee felt as if it were going to keel over and scrape the numbers off its doors. It managed to barge through the cones at just 56.9 mph. Considering its obstinate behavior during its skid pad orbits, the 0.74g measured there is almost shockingly good.
But the brakes were even worse. Of course there's no ABS, the front discs are tiny and the General puts 58.7 percent of its 3,699 pounds over its front wheels. So maybe the 181-foot stopping distance shouldn't be a surprise. It's still kind of shocking. In everyday driving (and this car will never again be a commuter), the General Lee would be plowing through the front doors of every Starbucks it passed.
Modern Manners
The General Lee features fourteen inches of Vector wheel fury!The 2011 Charger features twenty inches of blinding chrome.
In every measurable dynamic, the new Charger R/T blows away the General Lee — likely to no one's shock at all. Power brake a bit, let the wheels slip slightly with the traction control system off, and the 2011 Charger R/T gallops to 60 mph in 5.4 seconds (5.1 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip), with the quarter-mile consumed in 13.7 seconds at 102.8 mph. A solid performance by 21st-century standards and impressive in light of the fact that this is a porky 4,315-pound sedan that the EPA rates at 16 mpg in the city and a fine 25 mpg on the highway.
Of course the rack-and-pinion steering has more feel and is much more precise than the General's. Naturally the new Charger's all coil-sprung, all-independent suspension is more supple than the General's. And, naturally, its four 245/45R20 all-season Firestone Firehawk GTV tires produce superior stick.
Yet the new Charger still handles like a Charger. There's plenty of body lean and loads of understeer through the slalom and on the skid pad. With the stability control off, the 64.1-mph slalom number is sub-middling and the 0.81g generated on the skid pad is modest. An aluminum-block version of the new Hemi could knock a hundred pounds off the nose and improve things.
Both the old Charger and the new one were built to chase the horizon in comfortable cruises, and both do it well. There aren't many cars at any price that ride better than a new Charger. And there aren't any cars that look better than a '69 Charger at cruise.
The Big Jump
Warner Brothers would re-dye the interior of every Charger it used in Dukes to match. Parts of this interior come from other long-dead General Lees. The new Charger's interior is a vast improvement both ergonomically and in materials quality. It is the best Mopar muscle car interior ever.
The 2011 Charger's new interior feels high quality from door handle to shifter and steering wheel. It's a great leap forward for Dodge, and necessary, as every other manufacturer has been improving interior quality. The General Lee's interior, on the other hand, is dominated by a big roll bar, a lot of beige dye and loads of both wear and tear.
The standards for both comfort and performance have come a long way in 42 years, and even if Bob Hartwig's General Lee had shown as a pristine, brand-new 1969 Charger R/T 440, the 2011 edition would be the better everyday companion.
But our elevated expectations of comfort and performance have also brought with it a numbing isolation. The new Charger R/T doesn't have anything even close to the raw mechanical thrills of the General Lee. Get behind the wheel of that massive old orange car and you can feel it rock with the engine's idle; you can hear the secondaries open on its four-barrel carburetor as you dip into the throttle and your soul jumps even before the exhaust roars. For a few moments you believe the General Lee can fly. And for a few moments there isn't a better place to be in the world.
Maybe Dodge has already figured out how to engineer that snorting edge into the upcoming 2012 Charger SRT8. But if it hasn't, it ought to be trying.
Ultimately the faster and better-handling 2011 Dodge Charger R/T is without a doubt the car you want to be in if Roscoe and Enos are on your tail. It's also more comfortable than the General Lee, safer than the General Lee, more fuel-efficient and it has Bluetooth, satellite navigation and most importantly an iPod hookup so you can listen to your Waylon Jennings collection all day and all night.
But thanks to modern-day safety regulations, emissions regulations, noise regulations, fuel economy standards, focus groups, CAD CAM designs and wind tunnel shapes, the General Lee is just cool in a way the new Charger will never be. And that is why it wins this test.
Yeehaw!
Speed Read
1st Place: The General Lee - Antiquated hardware, dismal fuel economy and its complete lack of nearly everything can't diminish its over-the-top cool factor. A time capsule from a better time.
2nd Place: 2011 Dodge Charger R/T - The one to buy if you really plan to outrun the law, commute to work or date women with teeth. A wonderful high-performance sedan by any measure.
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Track Test Results
1969 "General Lee" Dodge Charger R/T
As-tested MSRP $175,000
0-30 mph (sec.) 2.6
0-45 mph (sec.) 4.1
0-60 mph (sec.) 6.2
0-75 mph (sec.) 8.8
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 14.3 @ 99.3
30-0 mph (ft.) 44
60-0 mph (ft.) 181
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 56.9
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.74
Acceleration Comments - Despite three tall gears, the General's huge power made launches a matter of trying to manage wheelspin. Best run was achieved with a minor amount of power braking, then generally squeezing on the throttle until there was traction -- then full "unleashment" of the horses. The big V8 sounds awesome -- makes you long for yesteryear -- or a rerun of the Dukes.
Braking Comments - No ABS here, friends. Pedal had a nice firm feel, but the tires lock up at the first stab, wrenching the car to the right. Difficult to modulate brakes to understand lockup points, and tries don't offer much grip. No fade after four stops, but later the pedal went almost all the way to the floor during a turnaround for the slalom test.
Handling Comments - Skid pad: Very loose steering with minimal feedback. Lots of understeer. Responded well to drop-throttle, but had to be careful because too much lift and the tail would start to come around. Slalom: Shuffle steering through the slalom? You bet your boots. The General needs lots of action at the steering wheel to get around the cones; steering has pretty much zero feel to it. Car has little grip, lots of roll and clearly doesn't like turning. But it was uber-fun to powerslide through the final slalom gate. And surprisingly controllable, too.
2011 Dodge Charger R/T
As-tested MSRP $38,835
0-30 mph (sec.) 2.2
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.6
0-60 mph (sec.) 5.4
0-75 mph (sec.) 7.9
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.7 @ 102.8
30-0 mph (ft.) 28
60-0 mph (ft.) 114
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 64.1
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.82
Acceleration Comments - Lots of wheelspin with ESC on or off if just going straight from brake to throttle. This thing has some motor. Best run used power braking, then full throttle, resulting in minor amount of wheelspin. Considerably quicker than the last Charger R/T we tested. Five-speed auto has manual shifting via console, but it won't hold a gear and auto-upshifts at 5,500 and doesn't match-rev manual downshifts either.
Braking Comments - Exceptionally firm pedal and great stability. Tires feel like they have some grip; could feel them clawing at the road for traction. Stopping distances were respectably short for such a heavy car. Experienced some minor pedal fade and a slightly longer distance on the sixth stop.
Handling Comments - Skid pad: Lots of understeer, but good reaction to throttle adjustments. There's a lot of weight being leaned over here. Slalom: Quicker steering and a more planted feel than previous Charger. Considering how big and heavy the car is, it acquitted itself nicely. ESC cannot be fully defeated, limiting the car from exploring its true potential. Was less intrusive in the "off" position, though. Tires offer reasonable grip. Tranny would auto-upshift (in manual mode) from 2nd to 3rd right before the final cone.
1969 "General Lee" Dodge Charger R/T
As-tested MSRP $175,000
0-30 mph (sec.) 2.6
0-45 mph (sec.) 4.1
0-60 mph (sec.) 6.2
0-75 mph (sec.) 8.8
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 14.3 @ 99.3
30-0 mph (ft.) 44
60-0 mph (ft.) 181
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 56.9
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.74
Acceleration Comments - Despite three tall gears, the General's huge power made launches a matter of trying to manage wheelspin. Best run was achieved with a minor amount of power braking, then generally squeezing on the throttle until there was traction -- then full "unleashment" of the horses. The big V8 sounds awesome -- makes you long for yesteryear -- or a rerun of the Dukes.
Braking Comments - No ABS here, friends. Pedal had a nice firm feel, but the tires lock up at the first stab, wrenching the car to the right. Difficult to modulate brakes to understand lockup points, and tries don't offer much grip. No fade after four stops, but later the pedal went almost all the way to the floor during a turnaround for the slalom test.
Handling Comments - Skid pad: Very loose steering with minimal feedback. Lots of understeer. Responded well to drop-throttle, but had to be careful because too much lift and the tail would start to come around. Slalom: Shuffle steering through the slalom? You bet your boots. The General needs lots of action at the steering wheel to get around the cones; steering has pretty much zero feel to it. Car has little grip, lots of roll and clearly doesn't like turning. But it was uber-fun to powerslide through the final slalom gate. And surprisingly controllable, too.
2011 Dodge Charger R/T
As-tested MSRP $38,835
0-30 mph (sec.) 2.2
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.6
0-60 mph (sec.) 5.4
0-75 mph (sec.) 7.9
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.7 @ 102.8
30-0 mph (ft.) 28
60-0 mph (ft.) 114
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 64.1
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.82
Acceleration Comments - Lots of wheelspin with ESC on or off if just going straight from brake to throttle. This thing has some motor. Best run used power braking, then full throttle, resulting in minor amount of wheelspin. Considerably quicker than the last Charger R/T we tested. Five-speed auto has manual shifting via console, but it won't hold a gear and auto-upshifts at 5,500 and doesn't match-rev manual downshifts either.
Braking Comments - Exceptionally firm pedal and great stability. Tires feel like they have some grip; could feel them clawing at the road for traction. Stopping distances were respectably short for such a heavy car. Experienced some minor pedal fade and a slightly longer distance on the sixth stop.
Handling Comments - Skid pad: Lots of understeer, but good reaction to throttle adjustments. There's a lot of weight being leaned over here. Slalom: Quicker steering and a more planted feel than previous Charger. Considering how big and heavy the car is, it acquitted itself nicely. ESC cannot be fully defeated, limiting the car from exploring its true potential. Was less intrusive in the "off" position, though. Tires offer reasonable grip. Tranny would auto-upshift (in manual mode) from 2nd to 3rd right before the final cone.
03-14-2011, 06:39 PM
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I love tests like this, where they put old cars vs new cars. It's great to see how times has changed and what makes the old cars special to this day.
The Charger looks good, but yeah, i still think that the late-sixties Chargers are the prettiest things ever to come from Chrysler...
The Charger looks good, but yeah, i still think that the late-sixties Chargers are the prettiest things ever to come from Chrysler...
03-15-2011, 01:35 PM
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