1ltcap

i don't think weight would play much at those speeds, but i do think frontal area would play a large part.

firebird99

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Like I said post some hard evidence of why the stang can only put 1mph on the zl1 after the quarter mile. We all know it takes more to go faster at higher speeds and I never implied it didn't but based of the Hp/weight difference between the two it would take a big aero dynamic advantage in the zl1's favor to stop the pull of the gt500 correct? So post up the results you get from little calculator and I hope it backs up all the trash talk you love to do.

If pointing out the facts makes me magazine racer so be it but your reaction and immature replies shows that your a little but hurt by the results.

evolve

You mean these results:

Im sure there is no "butthurt" going on except for your sig. BTW, shouldnt it be 4-0?

-Ross-

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Both cars are running over 65% of their total top speed by the 1/4 mile mark. Acceleration above those speeds starts to flatten out.

I still don't see your point here. This was a "top speed" test. Not a race from point A to point B. Acceleration past the 1/4 mile doesn't matter and should not be factored in given both cars had enough track to actually reach their true top speed. Who's to say the GT500 didn't reach 181mph (the ZL1's tested top speed) 1/2 a mile before the ZL1 got there?

Your (notice I used the correct "your") argument sucks.

1ltcap

based on that chart, how is it anyone is declaring the zl the winner again?

MeentSS02

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The hard evidence is physics...you know, the laws that govern the universe and this rock we live on. It will require you to pick up a book instead of a magazine if you want to understand, but it might be worth your time. I tried to make it easy for you by giving you a link to an online calculator you could play with, but the best you can do is ask me to post up the results I get by using it?

If you knew it takes more to go faster at higher speeds, then why did you even bring it up as something that seemed suspect?

And your "but hurt" comment (and butt is spelled with two t's when you are using it in that manner) makes any assessment of my maturity irrelevant. You know, the whole "pot meet kettle" thing.

jmurray87

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I personally wouldn't declare the ZL1 a winner but the fact it performs dam close to the GT500 with that much more weight and less power says quite a bit about the suspension in that car. I can only imagine the difference if they took the car and shed off 200lbs I wouldn't be shocked to see it beating the GT500 then even with its less power.

SSCamaro99_3

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Doubtful. As I have tried to note repeadetdly in these road course discussions corner speed relates to straightaway speed. If you are already at a higher speed when you exit, compared to a car with a horsepower advantage, they car with the slower car still has to outaccelerate you to match your speed before it would begin to gain ground. If that delta is high enough, the higher power vehicle may not have the time to make up the ground in a given straightaway. In the comparison of the ZL1 to SS, i would be willing to wager that the only time they shared a spped on any segment of the track was when they were sitting still. The ZL1 would have ad vantages in entry, corner, exit, and straightaway speed.

FYI - weight is effectively insignificant on a top speed run. It would really only affect the time nededd to achieve the ultimate velocity.

I bet is you took Cd and frontal area off both the GT-500 and ZL1 they would be remarkable similar (dare I say reasonably identical as far as air resistence is concerned). Leaving only rolling resistence (tires - which are still quite similar. Both Goodyear G2's) and power as the variables.

1ltcap

what's the weight difference again? 260#? that's really only 1 person....or if you're a skinny **** like me, then 1.5 people. not as much as people make it out to be honestly.

not like a 500 or 700# difference....]

gocartone

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Much less than that, only 180lb between the two. I think the biggest helper is the tire size. I don't care what the Ford engineers think about running wider tires, the car would go around a corner faster if it didn't have such skinny tires on it. I would like to see how the times would change if it were running the same size tires as the Camaro.

I also have to question how they figured the top speed on the car at 189 when it was going faster in pretty much the worst conditions possible. It's pretty damn impressive that it beat the ZL1 by 4.1 seconds to 150 though, that's a pretty f'in big gap!

1ltcap

yea, that difference caught my eye too.

i agree with the tires. i think they'd have had to re-design the entire car though to fit bigger tires, although i'm not sure.

and i thought the weight diff. was a little more....at 180 though, that's nothing....one person. we've seen the difference that makes in the srks section. usually less, so i don't think trimming 180# off the zl will make up over a half second on the track, although i could be wrong.

TriShield

Because cars aren't really numbers on a sheet of paper unless you really live your life a quarter mile at a time.

It's not like either one of them are exactly slow.

D3VIL

100% agree! The feel and the confidence the driver gets to have fun with his new toy is very important. And from all the reviews it seems like the ZL1 is a very rewarding car to drive

Irunelevens

So I guess nobody will argue against me that S2000 > F-body, right? 8mph slower in the 1/4 mile, but the handling/feel difference is WAY bigger than the GT500/ZL1 comparison, so this should be an easy consensus, right?

LS1LT1

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Well, that depends, but maybe.
How much faster (if at all) than an LS1 F-body (say, a stock SS or WS6) is the stock S2000 around Gingerman or VIR?

MeentSS02

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I think what bothers me the most is that these magazine articles are using an unknown, subjective weighting system to determine the overall winner, but are passing it off like they were 100% objective about the whole thing. That's fine if they want to declare a winner based off of the fuzzy, warm feelings they get from the ZL1, but at least be honest that that's what you are doing.

1ltcap

i suspect his point was that the previous poster seems to think that the speed isn't important, as long as you feel confident.

1ltcap

i don't think there's anything at all unknown about the system they're using. they went into the test liking the camaro better, and they will continue to change/modify rules/tests in order to make their favorite win.

-Ross-

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That warm cozy feeling is for sissies.

My6speedZ

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Boom