Silverado VS Tundra VS F150
07-26-2007 | 02:23 PM
#121
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Originally Posted by mzoomora
Do you even know why Toyota manufacturers cars here? It is because Clinton threatened them with high tariffs on imported vehicles like they did to US made products in Japan, so they agreed to start producing vehicles here to avoid the taxes. They didnt do it out of the kindness of their hearts.
You could not be more RIGHT!!!
I have been saying this for YEARS now. All of the lemmings/sheeple somehow believe that it is TOY's "benevolence" towards U.S. (remember who has to live and work here) that is the motivation behind their transplants. I find this to be hilarious, but also very sad. I guess they are looking for an absolution/justification for supporting another country's economy over their own.
07-26-2007 | 03:19 PM
#122
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Originally Posted by dailydriver
You could not be more RIGHT!!! I have been saying this for YEARS now. All of the lemmings/sheeple somehow believe that it is TOY's "benevolence" towards U.S. (remember who has to live and work here) that is the motivation behind their transplants. I find this to be hilarious, but also very sad. I guess they are looking for an absolution/justification for supporting another country's economy over their own.
I have been saying this for YEARS now. All of the lemmings/sheeple somehow believe that it is TOY's "benevolence" towards U.S. (remember who has to live and work here) that is the motivation behind their transplants. I find this to be hilarious, but also very sad. I guess they are looking for an absolution/justification for supporting another country's economy over their own.BTW, this is about as unimportant a voting issue as one can think of, so long as the only right that matters to US citizens (the 2nd Amendment) is threatened. And that is as long as the jackass party (socialists) control the ivory tower and the media, they will continue to make helpless victims out of the populace and scare them into hating freedom, independence, and the one and only thing that secures them.
You're right that ever election is a single issue election, but it's not money, it's the right to secure and enforce your rights that's the issue, and at stake.
07-26-2007 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DrkPhynx
Basically. You can see how one of them stepped up to prove my point that they are steadfastly convinced that they are actually helping. Facts don't phase them either. It's like dealing with any other sort of religious zealot.
BTW, this is about as unimportant a voting issue as one can think of, so long as the only right that matters to US citizens (the 2nd Amendment) is threatened. And that is as long as the jackass party (socialists) control the ivory tower and the media, they will continue to make helpless victims out of the populace and scare them into hating freedom, independence, and the one and only thing that secures them.
You're right that ever election is a single issue election, but it's not money, it's the right to secure and enforce your rights that's the issue, and at stake.
BTW, this is about as unimportant a voting issue as one can think of, so long as the only right that matters to US citizens (the 2nd Amendment) is threatened. And that is as long as the jackass party (socialists) control the ivory tower and the media, they will continue to make helpless victims out of the populace and scare them into hating freedom, independence, and the one and only thing that secures them.
You're right that ever election is a single issue election, but it's not money, it's the right to secure and enforce your rights that's the issue, and at stake.
07-27-2007 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mzoomora
Do you even know why Toyota manufacturers cars here? It is because Clinton threatened them with high tariffs on imported vehicles like they did to US made products in Japan, so they agreed to start producing vehicles here to avoid the taxes. They didnt do it out of the kindness of their hearts.
Probably the best quote in this thread.
07-28-2007 | 02:45 AM
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On the original post-
Isn't the z-71 offroad package the stiffest suspension available? And who knows what's under the ford or toyota! That stiff suspension would seemingly transmit a large amount of shock to the frame, causing the jumping seen by the pick up beds in the shots shown. Also, unless the camera angles where to be exactly the same for the entire run of the course it doesn't seem like a good comparison. And 00pewterSS is correct class 8 trucks do not use a fully boxed frame.
Isn't the z-71 offroad package the stiffest suspension available? And who knows what's under the ford or toyota! That stiff suspension would seemingly transmit a large amount of shock to the frame, causing the jumping seen by the pick up beds in the shots shown. Also, unless the camera angles where to be exactly the same for the entire run of the course it doesn't seem like a good comparison. And 00pewterSS is correct class 8 trucks do not use a fully boxed frame.
07-28-2007 | 03:07 AM
#126
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Originally Posted by pssonu
Wow at the ignorance of some people.
Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Kia, etc..... employ 1000's of American workers. But yet you seem to think, everything goes back to Japan
Does it makes since, if a person in China bought a Z06 Vette, the money would be sent back to Mexico? LOL at some of the ignorance.
Toyotas made in the U.S.
* Chevys made in Mexico.
* Hondas made with American engines.
* Fords made in Canada
Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Kia, etc..... employ 1000's of American workers. But yet you seem to think, everything goes back to Japan
Does it makes since, if a person in China bought a Z06 Vette, the money would be sent back to Mexico?
LOL at some of the ignorance. Toyotas made in the U.S.
* Chevys made in Mexico.
* Hondas made with American engines.
* Fords made in Canada
And by extention if I buy a G.M. built in say, Canada the Canadians get all the money, right?
Then how exactly, by your reasoning, is a business man in China sending money to Mexico by buying a Z06 when its built in Kentucky? Shouldn't the money end up in the U.S.? Or did we sell Ky to the Mexicans and I never heard about it?
07-28-2007 | 03:39 AM
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I've got a great idea for a commercial. Take a Tundra and an F-450 and chain them together in a parking lot. Then drag the Tundra all around the parking lot for 30 seconds and maybe run it into a light post at the end. Then get that annoying-*** guy to say, "You want something with a little more meat on its bones". 
07-31-2007 | 10:57 AM
#128
I Just got back from Soutern Cal. New Tundras all over the place. I don't know how they can fit those things in those little parking spots. Considering hot rodding came out of that area of the country it still amazes me how many imports there are. On the other hand, California has some pretty high #'s for imported people too. One thing I can say about AZ is it's Ford and Chevy country.
When Toyota starts building Lexus here, with mostly North American manufactured parts I will consider one. Considering this will never happen, theres not a Toyota/Lexus in my future.
It's funny how the Chinese expect us to build plants in their country if we want to sell products there, and we don't expect the same of our trading partners... Namely Japan, Germany and China.
Whoops, getting off topic......+10000 GM truck, -10000 Foreign owned Toyota.
When Toyota starts building Lexus here, with mostly North American manufactured parts I will consider one. Considering this will never happen, theres not a Toyota/Lexus in my future.
It's funny how the Chinese expect us to build plants in their country if we want to sell products there, and we don't expect the same of our trading partners... Namely Japan, Germany and China.
Whoops, getting off topic......+10000 GM truck, -10000 Foreign owned Toyota.
Last edited by TT632; 07-31-2007 at 11:06 AM.
07-31-2007 | 05:07 PM
#129
Let me quote a related article from Automotive Engineering International July 2007 an SAE publications. Not fingerpointing. Just a related article about the evasion of a 25% tax. 
Now, that is a tarrif!
Now, that is a tarrif! Sprinter assembled once, then again
Sprinter commerical cargo vans for the US market are assembled in Germany, then disassembled, and reassembled at a South Carolina plant. The reason for this unusal production practice involves money.
"I think it's intriguing in that you have a van that's put together and it's ready to go. But based on one thing -- and that's taxes -- you have it disassembled, put on a boat, brought across the ocean and reasembled," South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford.
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...South Carolina is benefitting from a $35 million plant investment that will mean the employment of approximately 200 workers when Sprinter assembly reaches its 32,000-vehicle capacity. "For the volume that we sell in the US, it doesn't make sense to install -- twice -- the safety critical tooling which we need to get the whole of the cab together. That is why we decided to assemble and disassemble in Germany and reassemble the major parts here in Ladson," said DaimlerChrysler AG Executive Vice Presidentt Wilfried Porth, who leads the Mercedes-Benz Vans Business Unit.
--Parts Omitted--
Sprinter commerical cargo vans for the US market are assembled in Germany, then disassembled, and reassembled at a South Carolina plant. The reason for this unusal production practice involves money.
"I think it's intriguing in that you have a van that's put together and it's ready to go. But based on one thing -- and that's taxes -- you have it disassembled, put on a boat, brought across the ocean and reasembled," South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford.
--Picture/Caption---
-- Parts Omitted--
...South Carolina is benefitting from a $35 million plant investment that will mean the employment of approximately 200 workers when Sprinter assembly reaches its 32,000-vehicle capacity. "For the volume that we sell in the US, it doesn't make sense to install -- twice -- the safety critical tooling which we need to get the whole of the cab together. That is why we decided to assemble and disassemble in Germany and reassemble the major parts here in Ladson," said DaimlerChrysler AG Executive Vice Presidentt Wilfried Porth, who leads the Mercedes-Benz Vans Business Unit.
--Parts Omitted--
