Originally Posted by jwindbigler

Ok, I think that I get what you are saying. However, the M3's are pretty much maxed out on power unless you rebuild the lower end. You cant put too much more than the 5-6psi of boost without destroying it. In order to run higher boost, you have to rebuild the lower end. The stock CR on vettes is much lower, which you can get away with putting 8-12psi in there and get away with it. Which will add another 200HP. So saying that an M3 engine and a ZO6 engine will gain the same power with the same mods is true, but the ZO6 will be faster every time just due to the more displacement.

Originally Posted by suprastars

http://tunertrader.vidiac.com/catego...b4c080ba8a.htm

I love this video, becuase it shows two cars with very different power plants. I can understand peoples logic if this was 1993, when knowone was aware of what FI can do. But to say a car is faster with more displacement is false. As you can see here, an evo with less power, less torque, aerodynamics beats a car with 3 times the displacement.

Originally Posted by suprastars

Heres a vid of my friends racing. Ones a turbo Camaro making 505hp 550lbft and a civic making 500hp and 320lbft.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/d...319247da7b.htm

I was two cars back

Originally Posted by jwindbigler

How much do you want to bet if they would have gone past 140, the vette would have destroyed it. Rolling mile, that vette should win. Key word "should".

Originally Posted by slick1851

Honestly what the ****, 40,000 dollers for a challanger?

Why not make it 30K and sell them like hot cakes, 40 grand gets you alot of cars in this day and age.


And the camaro better not be up there either, theres a reason why the mustang does so good. Its priced right, GM better put the camaro around what the mustang is.

Originally Posted by jwindbigler

How much do you want to bet if they would have gone past 140, the vette would have destroyed it. Rolling mile, that vette should win. Key word "should".

Originally Posted by jwindbigler

Yes, and the EVO was running a lot more boost than the vette. But we are at the same thing again. Modded cars with small engines can beat other modded cars with big engines. It all comes down to what they have done under the hood. Pound for pound (psi) the bigger displacement engines will rule all. Think about it. If you were to put 20psi into an LS1 or the Viper V10. You are talking nearly 800RWHP and TQ. Not to mention that the vipers and vettes look a hell of a lot better than an EVO or Civic.

Originally Posted by mzoomora

It doesnt matter anyway, because that video proves nothing. How do you know that those are the real outputs? From a guy who is nothing more than a troll who will say anything to TRY to prove his point. Ignore his posts and you will be better off. Half the **** he says is made up, the other half if exaggerated.

Originally Posted by mzoomora

It doesnt matter anyway, because that video proves nothing. How do you know that those are the real outputs? From a guy who is nothing more than a troll who will say anything to TRY to prove his point. Ignore his posts and you will be better off. Half the **** he says is made up, the other half if exaggerated.

Originally Posted by suprastars

Yes, what he says is golden. I am a troll.

Originally Posted by The Manalishi

You still stirring the pot? From what I have been told by a couple of guys is that you are pretty smart and a good guy. Why do you act like such an *** on this site? Just curious.

Originally Posted by suprastars

I made 680rwhp and 710lbft in my 350z with 17psi. On the same dyno, with similar turbokits, this same 350z made:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...ts/855rwhp.jpg

^ that was 21psi


http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...whpoverlay.jpg

^19psi

350z heads flow more than the Ls1. This is why they're able to produce so much power with little boost compared to most cars.


This is on this forum in the FI section:

This is one of our customer cars. It is equipped with the following mods:
-Speed Inc 382"
-03 Z06 Cam
-RGR stage 2 heads
-M6
-Moser 12 bolt
-Speed Inc Fuel system
-ATI D1SC w/8 rib conversion
-Speed Inc/Griffin custom front mount intercooler conversion
-3"-2.5" True duals to the bumper
- 60# Injectors
-Stock PCM

14lbs of boost

http://www.ls1speed.com/pictures/dynorun040.jpg

Compared to a 350z at 14psi same car as above.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...sports/658.jpg

Originally Posted by suprastars

Cylinders plays little role in determining power! Liters, head flow, VE, compression ratio, dohc, etc.... all determine power, not how many cylinders.

So in theory, I guess a 3.0 liter V8 has more potential than a 4.2 liter 6cylinder

You do understand that a 3.0 liter V10 F1 car(900hp) produces more power n/a than any stroked LS7 or 8.2 liter V10 viper. It is harder to produce power the larger you go in displacement.

Lets see here:

Porsche 415hp 3.8 liters n/a
Ls3 Vette 450hp 6.2 liters
Ls1 5.7 liters 320hp
M3 333hp 3.2 liters
M5 500hp 5.0 liters
350z(07) 312hp
Viper 8.2 liters 600hp

Do you see a trend here. See how lower reving motor/pushrod cant compete with high reving dohc setups. Head flow is the key here. Hence the reason why they offer 4 valve heads for ls1's. And the reason why Dodge was going to offer a Dohc setup on the current viper, but decided against it due to cost.

Originally Posted by NHRAMAN

Musclecars are marketed to mostly well to do people like myself....the 6-bangers will be alot cheaper..even in the 60's..Musclecars were more than priced above your usual gas jockey. mind you..they are more now..even with inflation..but still..

Originally Posted by mzoomora

18psi on stock truck manifolds.

http://www.atlpf.com/hunter.html

922rwhp.

Originally Posted by NHRAMAN

Musclecars are marketed to mostly well to do people like myself....

Originally Posted by suprastars

Which is impressive, but not far off from the 21psi graph I posted. Considering the displacement difference, the torque/hp numbers are on par with eachother.