it looks like the vin MUST match thing isn't true. the Subaru guy's are passing.

http://www.toronto-subaru-club.com/f...s-testing.html

check out post 56

 

Still bull ****. This guys solid, I like his name *toothy grin*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5vAL...ature=youtu.be

http://www.scrapdriveclean.ca/take-action/

 

This is a good read with a lot of information on the new test http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...rod_080001.pdf

I'm going to try and see if I can test my 96 car via obd2 on Tuesday.

Another quick question should I not be able to do OBD2 testing...if I unplug 1-2 injectors and their corresponding spark plugs, can I do damage to my car with a large cam? My last resort is to use hp tuners to lean the car out and run on 2 less cylinders in hopes that I can squeeze out a pass...

 

Anyone know if the vin having to match is a must?
I'm reading mixed posts on that.

I was told that my computer was tuned with HP Tuners but my vin wasnt programmed to match.
How can I go about getting them to match?

 

You can put any vin in with efilive

 

Ive read mixed as well. If the guy who tuned it with hp tuners is nearby you can have him write your vin into the pcm. I have hp tuners so I could do it for you, the problem is I'd have to license your car with credits so that means $100

I think it's stupid if they have to match though...what if your ecu died and you pulled one from a junkyard to replace it? The vins wouldn't match then? They're seriously going to fail people for that?

 

You can't do it with hp tuners it will be a vin/os mismatch and it won't let you

 

weird...I'm 99.9% sure we can do it for the v6's...maybe that's a v8 pcm issue?

 

He is running a V8 in a V6 S10

 

ok but with what pcm? the point I was making is that some cars may be different. Also, I am still positive that you can write a new vin into your car regardless with hp tuners. You just need to apparently buy an additional license (so two licenses)

https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagn...g-vin-ecu.html

See post number 5 in that thread. They've changed it on an 05 vette using hp tuners. Apparently you can also perform this function with a tech 2, but I don't have experience with a tech 2 so I can't speak on that for sure.

 

It has to do with the hp tuners license system. From the 5 year old post you dug up you can search so have fun.........

 

Thanks for posting that! Petition signed

 

I'll throw up an update here as I myself just got off the phone with the Ministry today:

1) I asked about testing pre 98 cars with OBD2 under the new test...they were puzzled that GM actually had cars that had OBD2 prior to 1998. Since apparently those OBD2 pcm's don't have the same parameters as their 98 counterparts , everything below 98 is subject to doing the 2-speed idle.

^^Confirming that for anyone who has been wondering if they can test their 96-97 OBD2 cars under the new system as I have been wondering. Although for this answer she was unsure and had to check with a tech...which makes me feel like I still didn't get a straight answer.

2) I then asked about a car that had a 2005 (or basically a newer motor) swapped into it but not a "hot rod" as it was the same displacement/style offered with the vehicle. With swapping that new motor in I said that the car also had a new corresponding pcm with it and all emissions controls. I asked how that would then be tested? (hoping it would be to the new standard) but nope, if the vin on the body of the car being tested is below 98 you're stuck to a 2-speed idle test, no exceptions.

3) I also asked about conditional passes. Contrary to some of the info out there, they still exist and still have a required cost limit. A few things to know about conditional passes:
- You can still sell a vehicle after you get a conditional pass, but the new owner has to fully fix the vehicle to legitimately pass emissions before they can license it.
- You can however still transfer the vehicle between immediate family without them having to fully fix the vehicle before they license it.

4) I also went into GM today and asked about the new emissions...the guys there didn't really know what was going on with what car...all they really knew was that they scan the VIN on the car and apparently the computer tells them which type of test to preform. This brings me back to point number 1 that it seems to seal the fate of us OBD2 cars that are pre-98


I guess you can look at the above as good or bad depending on what you need to do to pass emissions. For those of you that have a standalone installed, maybe not having to do the new test is a bonus for you.

 

^^^
Great info. Thanks for posting.

Any idea how it works with a 1994, as I understand that the computer is different again from the 1996 - 1997.

Also to the guy that posted that petition link, thanks! Signed!

 

1994 would be the two speed idle just like us 96-97's. It's going by the VIN on the car, not what is in the car...which I think is stupid.

So taking it a step further, technically speaking, you could swap an LSx motor into your car, and even though you could apply for hot rod status, you have to pass a sniffer because your car body is a "1994"

soooo that 94 with an LSx motor could have a radical cam in it that fails the sniffer with off the chart readings, but that same setup if OBD2 tested could pass with flying colours.

 

Here you go boys, add a failed test to the list...going to need a miracle to pass this one. Hope those of you with any serious mods fair better than this!

 

Thats sucks. They made you do the old style test eh. Too bad you could not just do the obd2 test.

 

yep....Oh, that reminds me...just an FYI and lesson learned for me today. I went and had the test done at a dealership (non-GM) and I was told I can't get a conditional pass through them because they are only authorized to repair "their brand cars" (Im not using names as I dont know who watches this forum, and I don't need the EPA buzzing around with too much info) So since they can only repair their own brand cars, I need to go to a different emissions place, run the test...pay 35$ AGAIN, instead of $17.50, because it's a new shop, fail 2 more times, get diagnosed, spend 450$, then I get a conditional.

Sooooo, long story short, make sure wherever you get your e-tests done, they are authorized to repair your make of car... or if you fail you just wasted your money

 

Well I passed mine today

Plug and play is great

Thank You Frost for a great tune last Fall

Its just a cash grab and the petition has been signed.

Good Luck Mike,I know my local CTC will do a few basic repars and keep it under $300.00.

 

So can 98-00 cars pass if the egr has been removed and tuned out? How about the air system.


Dale