Buddy z/28

I need some help.I purchased a crate engine from a well known performance company.it is a ls2 6.0 L 364CID.445 h.p. 444lbs torque.It has a gray cam sensor located in the front .( which makes this a gen 1v ,with a 58x reluctor wheel right?).well this crate engine has a edelbrock victor manifold a 800cfm carburator and a edelbrock ls1 controller that is used with a gen111 engine.they say that this controller will work.I called edelbrock and they say i need msd 6012-2 controller for this engine. I called the performance company back and told them this. they still say i will be alright?What do you'll think?

Paul57

I have read that you need the 6012 with a Gen IV. Not worth taking a chance in my opinion. Listen to Edelbrock unless you have personally seen someone use the 6010 on a Gen IV.

Pop N Wood

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I have an earlier version of that same motor and it takes a 6012 box.

Real easy way to find out. The plugs are keyed such that you can't plug them in wrong. I know this cause I unknowingly bought the wrong box initially. Try hooking up the box.

Like you said the color of the cam and crank sensors is differnet for the ls1 with a 24x reluctor and the ls2+ with a 58x reluctor. I can't remember what the colors are but a quick search should confirm it for you.

ATwelveSec02Z28

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you really need to know what crank position sensor and wheel are on the engine.

Buddy z/28

The crank position sensor is black.A/C delco part #12560228.I have to change the oil pan ,will i be able to see and count the reluctor wheel points or tips?

Buddy z/28

Also the edelbrock Ls1 controller plug into the cam sensor(gray one)perfectly.the crank sensor plugs into black crank sensor perfectly.In fact they are both same plug.the lsi controller leads are marked crank,cam sensors.

Pop N Wood

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If the plugs fit, you must acquit.

I say fire it up. If it doesn't work have Pace send you the correct unit. Save any emails you had with them.

LS1MCSS

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You can look in the crank sensor hole and see the reluctor, but if the crank sensor is black, then it's going to be a 24X reluctor. A 24X reluctor will require an MSD 6010. If the crank sensor is gray, then it has a 58X reluctor and will require an MSD 6012. Having the gray cam sensor in the front actually means nothing. My motor is an LS3, which should be gen4, but it has a 24X reluctor and a gray (LS2) cam sensor in the front.

ZONES89RS

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To see instantly and eliminate all doubt, pull the crank sensor, look in the hole, a 24X reluctor will be 2 plates slapped together, you can visually see there are two in there to make the signal, while the 58X is a single, thick reluctor wheel that is not two pieces.

Same thing if you pull the pan:

Right side is a 58, left is 24:



This pic has them stacked on top of each other, the top is a 58, the bottom is a 24:

Buddy z/28

Hay guy's thanks a million for the info and pictures.I will pull the crank sensor in the morning. I plan to pull oil pan too.I knew i could count on you'll.Thanks Buddy

Buddy z/28

I could not wait,lifted engine pull crank sensor. Guess what it is a 24x reluctor wheel. So is this engine a genIII or genIV?

LS1MCSS

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Now that you know which reluctor you have, did the engine come with an Edelbrock box or MSD box? If it's Edelbrock, do yourself a favor and try to sell it and get the one that's sold by MSD. You can map out the timing your engine really likes. The Edelbrock box can only have the timing changed with the timing pills. All of them have at least 36 degrees total timing and a lot of LS engines don't like that much timing. Here is a video of an LS1 I had with the Edelbrock box and a little more compression than stock. Listen to what the engine does in the upper rpm range, and this is only with the number 1 pill. PS, try to ignore the language.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/quic...ing_123863.htm

Buddy z/28

It came with the edelbrock ls1 box.Which msd box do i need?

GC99TA

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You need the 6010 MSD box for a 1X cam and 24X crank reluctor.

Buddy z/28

Thank guy's.now have to find right motor mounts for this engine.

GC99TA

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What's it going into?

Buddy z/28

1969 camaro with husrt driveline 600 5 speed kit

Pop N Wood

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You might want to make sure it's an LS2 and not a dressed up LS1 motor. Make sure it has 6.0L cast on the back of the block and see if it has 243 heads.

Buddy z/28

It has a casting in back of block 6.0L and it does have the 243 ls6 heads.But your right these performance company some times just throw these engine togeater. who knows who assembly them.and with what parts.That why i am cking everything.A friend bought a 502 crate engine .We pelubed it and them fire it up.After running it on and off for a week. We took it for a test run. It started knocking from down in the pan.Guess what they forgot to torque the rods #7 bearing spun.