LQ4/T56 into my 69 Camaro
10-09-2011, 10:46 AM
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Stellar car Tsnow.
Whats next after several miles? big brake and rim package? Rear bumper guards, as i see you still have the holes for them. Let me know if your interested in a spare set of great quality OE bumper guards I have, aswell as any other smaller trim pieces n whatnots.
Whats next after several miles? big brake and rim package? Rear bumper guards, as i see you still have the holes for them. Let me know if your interested in a spare set of great quality OE bumper guards I have, aswell as any other smaller trim pieces n whatnots.
10-09-2011, 10:46 AM
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Fender lips? Break out the cutoff wheel.. Rolling of fender lips looks like doo doo, in my opinion. Just got done doing this mod, took all of 10 minutes a side.
Edit: I also ment the bumperettes that hang down like teeth to the lower panel. Im quite partial to them haha.
I hear you on the rims. I would stick with original rallyes aswell, but i forsee a 4th gen brake swap in my near future.
Edit: I also ment the bumperettes that hang down like teeth to the lower panel. Im quite partial to them haha.
I hear you on the rims. I would stick with original rallyes aswell, but i forsee a 4th gen brake swap in my near future.
10-09-2011, 01:44 PM
#1144
Fender lips? Break out the cutoff wheel.. Rolling of fender lips looks like doo doo, in my opinion. Just got done doing this mod, took all of 10 minutes a side.
Edit: I also ment the bumperettes that hang down like teeth to the lower panel. Im quite partial to them haha.
I hear you on the rims. I would stick with original rallyes aswell, but i forsee a 4th gen brake swap in my near future.
Edit: I also ment the bumperettes that hang down like teeth to the lower panel. Im quite partial to them haha.
I hear you on the rims. I would stick with original rallyes aswell, but i forsee a 4th gen brake swap in my near future.
How much for the bumperettes?
Your right, the brake mod will be in the near future. I just dont want any clearance issues between the brakes and wheels. I had give some thought to the 17" rallyes but I am not too sure which route I will go. I may wear these tires down before I decide. I kick myself as I gave away the factory front drum assemblies years ago. I could use the hubs now.
10-09-2011, 02:32 PM
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Yeah I am going to do the quarter clearance when I install the Moser axles, carrier studs and aluminum cover. I will prolly do as you did and use the cutoff wheel. I only need a little off the edges, I just dont want to cut through the welds between the quarters and outer wheelhousings.
How much for the bumperettes?
Your right, the brake mod will be in the near future. I just dont want any clearance issues between the brakes and wheels. I had give some thought to the 17" rallyes but I am not too sure which route I will go. I may wear these tires down before I decide. I kick myself as I gave away the factory front drum assemblies years ago. I could use the hubs now.
How much for the bumperettes?
Your right, the brake mod will be in the near future. I just dont want any clearance issues between the brakes and wheels. I had give some thought to the 17" rallyes but I am not too sure which route I will go. I may wear these tires down before I decide. I kick myself as I gave away the factory front drum assemblies years ago. I could use the hubs now.
Bumperettes, P.M me.. I will get them out of storage. I also may have another set of drum hubs. I believe there is a full 70 nova front clip, down to the subframe and what not in my pasture.
10-10-2011, 12:07 PM
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Congrats on the car Snow!!! It looks great! I can not wait to see video of this thing in action! I do not think the engine compartment looks too cluttered at all, I can only HOPE to make mine as clean when all said and done. Great work and PM me if you need those LS calipers, I might have an extra set of fronts and/or rears.
10-10-2011, 07:14 PM
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Congrats on the car Snow!!! It looks great! I can not wait to see video of this thing in action! I do not think the engine compartment looks too cluttered at all, I can only HOPE to make mine as clean when all said and done. Great work and PM me if you need those LS calipers, I might have an extra set of fronts and/or rears.
10-11-2011, 09:01 PM
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I will not be doing the long haul in 2012 since Texas is damn near a 2 day drive back to NC...
I think I will start in MI - and veer off to Chicago to go home and see the folks.
10-11-2011, 09:35 PM
#1153
I pulled the old axle out in preparation for the new Mosers. I decided to use the factory style axle bearings instead of the "axle savers". This proved to be a chore as I had used silicone to seal the axle savers prior to installation. The reason for the axle savers, I had significant wear on the original race where the axle bearing resided. I could not find a set of replacement axles at the time I built the rearend. So I opted for the axle savers which move the bearing further out on the axles to prevent unwanted loss motion. I used heat, a slide pull, hammer and chisel and finally resorted to using a die grinder and worked the outer race down to the housing before it would budge. Here is a photo of the first one I attempted to remove. Please dont frown at the mess as it a royal pain in the ***!!
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Old axles next to the new Mosers.
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Splines on the mosers:
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Splines on the factory axles. Notice the amount of engagement old versus new.
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The 8.5" 10 bolt posi with 3.42 gears. I am replacing the carrier bearing retainer bolts with ARP studs. Heres the before:
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The new ARP studs versus the original GM bolt.
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The new studs are in and torqued to 65 ft-lbs.
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The new Trick Flow aluminum cover with the preload studs. This is a nice piece and fit perfectly.
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Last but not least, the new axles installed. I know this doesnt appear to have anything to do with an LS swap but if you think about it does. You upgrade the engine and now have a ton more power, you swap out the 4 speed for a T56 which will hold more torque, I beefed up the driveshaft to suit so it only makes sense to add a little reliability to the rearend. Nothing like an axle coming out at highway speeds. The Mosers are 30% stronger than stock axles and with the studs and rear cover I feel confident she should hold up for a while.
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[/IMG]Old axles next to the new Mosers.
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[/IMG]Splines on the mosers:
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[/IMG]Splines on the factory axles. Notice the amount of engagement old versus new.
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[/IMG]The 8.5" 10 bolt posi with 3.42 gears. I am replacing the carrier bearing retainer bolts with ARP studs. Heres the before:
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[/IMG]The new ARP studs versus the original GM bolt.
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[/IMG]The new studs are in and torqued to 65 ft-lbs.
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[/IMG]The new Trick Flow aluminum cover with the preload studs. This is a nice piece and fit perfectly.
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[/IMG]Last but not least, the new axles installed. I know this doesnt appear to have anything to do with an LS swap but if you think about it does. You upgrade the engine and now have a ton more power, you swap out the 4 speed for a T56 which will hold more torque, I beefed up the driveshaft to suit so it only makes sense to add a little reliability to the rearend. Nothing like an axle coming out at highway speeds. The Mosers are 30% stronger than stock axles and with the studs and rear cover I feel confident she should hold up for a while.
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10-11-2011, 09:50 PM
#1156
The rear end parts look great. Nothing like some extra added insurance against breakage. What did your 8.5 come out of originally? Nova?
10-11-2011, 10:12 PM
#1158
Thanks man.....it'll be good to be back "home".
Ahh, that makes sense. Is the leaf spring spacing the same between a 1st and 2nd gen, or did you have to relocate the spring perches too? The reason for all my questions is because my buddy is looking for an 8.5 for his 68 Camaro and was limiting his searches to Novas. But, since he plans on "custom" wheels anyway, the extra 1/2 inch on either side wouldn't be a big deal. He'd just need an extra 1/2 back space on his wheels like you suggested. But, until I get there, I don't know if he'd be up to relocating spring perches.
Ahh, that makes sense. Is the leaf spring spacing the same between a 1st and 2nd gen, or did you have to relocate the spring perches too? The reason for all my questions is because my buddy is looking for an 8.5 for his 68 Camaro and was limiting his searches to Novas. But, since he plans on "custom" wheels anyway, the extra 1/2 inch on either side wouldn't be a big deal. He'd just need an extra 1/2 back space on his wheels like you suggested. But, until I get there, I don't know if he'd be up to relocating spring perches.
10-12-2011, 04:00 AM
#1159
I did in fact relocate the perches. I cut the old welds off without disturbing the perch or the axle tube and reused them. The 15" x 8" rallyes now have a 4-1/2" back spacing versus the standard 4". I know of an alternative for your friend, find a 1956 or slightly newer Ford 9" rearend out of a galaxie. It will measure 51-52" backing plate to plate and the spring perches will fit like it was made for the Camaro. I know this because I had a 9" rear and traded it for a 1970 Z/28 12 bolt posi 4 series carrier with factory 4.10 gears. Of course I sold that rear for $1200 and had $100 in the 9". Then I traded two old bucket seats and a broken console for the current rearend. The next day on craigslist.com a guy 15 minutes from the house had a 3.42 Richmond gear set and the Richmond installation kit all brand new in the boxes for $135-$150. I know have a few hundred dollars in the rear but it should be well worth it. If you need help locating a rearend for your friend I may could help. If he needs it modified I may could help with that also.
10-12-2011, 12:01 PM
#1160
I did in fact relocate the perches. I cut the old welds off without disturbing the perch or the axle tube and reused them. The 15" x 8" rallyes now have a 4-1/2" back spacing versus the standard 4". I know of an alternative for your friend, find a 1956 or slightly newer Ford 9" rearend out of a galaxie. It will measure 51-52" backing plate to plate and the spring perches will fit like it was made for the Camaro. I know this because I had a 9" rear and traded it for a 1970 Z/28 12 bolt posi 4 series carrier with factory 4.10 gears. Of course I sold that rear for $1200 and had $100 in the 9". Then I traded two old bucket seats and a broken console for the current rearend. The next day on craigslist.com a guy 15 minutes from the house had a 3.42 Richmond gear set and the Richmond installation kit all brand new in the boxes for $135-$150. I know have a few hundred dollars in the rear but it should be well worth it. If you need help locating a rearend for your friend I may could help. If he needs it modified I may could help with that also.