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Old 05-07-2015, 11:11 AM
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Just got the NEW original BB Chevelle pressure plate in. Doesn't have all the extra springs and other happy horse (bleep) in it. Going that route since I'm tired of pulling this trans out!! The original Muncie shifter doesn't bolt to the trans and it's a pain R&R'ing



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Just checking...if you go from a f body LS1 flywheel/clutch to the Sachs/BBC flywheel clutch, you'll need a shorter throwout bearing.
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I got bearings out the wazoo now. LOL Attaching a pic of the 2 pressure plates side by side. Looks like the Chevelle one needs the longer bearing, not the 02 Camaro. Chevelle one is shorter. It's the one on the right. Both are brand new.


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This project is in real time, as are the pics. Pulling the flywheel off now and will update with progress. Took half a day off work to do this cause it's buggin the cr@p outa me!!
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You need to compare the flywheels too.
The Sachs/BBC one is 0.4" thicker than the 98-02 f body LS1 flywheel.
See my first post for compatible part numbers.
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Using the stock 02 flywheel which lines up perfectly with the Chevelle plate. Grade 8 bolts on pressure plate, no drilling, no sawing, no snot. Going together smoothly so far. Using long TOB with the way its measuring up. Trans in next.

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Originally Posted by mt5425
Just got the NEW original BB Chevelle pressure plate in. Doesn't have all the extra springs and other happy horse (bleep) in it. Going that route since I'm tired of pulling this trans out!! The original Muncie shifter doesn't bolt to the trans and it's a pain R&R'ing


That driveshaft is about 1.5" too short.

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Someone tried that earlier in the thread. IIRC, the clutch disk interfered with the center of the shallower flywheel.

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Using the stock 02 flywheel which lines up perfectly with the Chevelle plate. Grade 8 bolts on pressure plate, no drilling, no sawing, no snot. Going together smoothly so far. Using long TOB with the way its measuring up. Trans in next.
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Yes. Driveshaft is too short. Going from a TH400 to 4-spd. I can't fix it all in a day! LOL Gotta get her movin first.
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Gary mine fits fine. Putting trans in now. Think someone that said it wouldn't fit put it in backwards. The clutch plate spring assembly goes towards the pressure plate.
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Trans in. Using 02 LS1 flywheel and 1970 BB Chevy pressure plate. Pedal moving perfectly now. No 'pop' . Hooking up linkage and ds.
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Done. I did it. It works perfect. Numbers matching 1970 Chevelle SS 396, original 396 and trans in bags, changed to LS1, no holes drilled. THANK YOU ALL!!!

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Glad to hear you got it fixed. Amazing what can be diagnosed over the internet these days!

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Would the 486 bellhousing work? Or do we have to use the 621?
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Originally Posted by Jadedbird
Would the 486 bellhousing work? Or do we have to use the 621?
I'm using some random truck bell. I don't think it matters as long as it clears your clutch, I think the big deal with the 621 is that it fits more cars.
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Double check, but I think the truck 486 bell has the larger bearing retainer cutout (5.125 vs 4.68). It will bolt to the LS block, and will fit a 12" clutch. But if you use it with a car trans, the larger cutout will not properly locate the trans. You'll end up with pilot bearing, input shaft bearing failure.
I have seen spacers on ebay before to locate the trans correctly in the bell.

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Would the 486 bellhousing work? Or do we have to use the 621?
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FYI #621 bellhousings are a dime a dozen on ebay.

Some good info on bellhousings for 168t and 153t flywheels. They are also sold here - http://www.4speedconversions.com/che...lhousings.html

Some good info on hydraulic conversions for chevy bellhousings - https://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/clutch/kit_hcrc.htm

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Originally Posted by douglee25
FYI #621 bellhousings are a dime a dozen on ebay.

Some good info on bellhousings for 168t and 153t flywheels. They are also sold here - http://www.4speedconversions.com/che...lhousings.html

Some good info on hydraulic conversions for chevy bellhousings - https://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/clutch/kit_hcrc.htm

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$190 is not a dime haa
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Here's a pic of a truck bell, Muncie bearing retainer, and the spacer required to use together.
I've seen the spacers occasionally on ebay.
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I did have to use a spacer with whatever bell I have. I think I bought it from Novak Conversions or something. It was a Jeep conversion parts place.


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