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Old 04-05-2012, 10:21 PM
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I agree with tiresmokin. O-Ring on tube first. If you put it in the pump first there is a pretty good chance that the tube will push it into the pump and give the classic low oil pressure symptoms. The oil pump swap is a good idea, but a lot of work. You can also get away with doing the spring swap in the pump which you can do without removing the pump IIRC.
My turbo's do the same thing as far as free-spooling. I was concerned at first because one was less spinny than the other... after some use they break in I guess because they spin ok now.
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Originally Posted by Marktainium
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Originally Posted by Marktainium
I agree with tiresmokin. O-Ring on tube first. If you put it in the pump first there is a pretty good chance that the tube will push it into the pump and give the classic low oil pressure symptoms. The oil pump swap is a good idea, but a lot of work. You can also get away with doing the spring swap in the pump which you can do without removing the pump IIRC.
My turbo's do the same thing as far as free-spooling. I was concerned at first because one was less spinny than the other... after some use they break in I guess because they spin ok now.
Cool, thanks for the info. I'll have a look at this next week. It'd be nice if the o-ring was the culprit, and I'll have to do a bit more research on the easiness of in-car spring swap, I think I might want to do that regardless if it doesn't require pump removal.

And "less spinny"... is that a technical term??
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Thats some funny ****!!! You guys act like brothers for sure.
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Another vote for the o-ring goes on the pickup first, then into the pump. I don't know if that's causing your problem, but if the o ring is extruded or pinched weird, you'll probably see it when you pull the pickup off.
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Originally Posted by frojoe
And "less spinny"... is that a technical term??
I worked at Garrett turbochargers for a while doing rotordynamics and developing bearing systems for advanced dual compressor diesel turbos, including this sequential turbo for Ford which had some rather interesting rotordynamic challenges with all that overhung compressor wheel mass. With this qualification under my belt, you should believe me when I tell you that "spinny" is of course a technical term. It's defined as the third term inverse hypothetical integration constant of the fifth order bipolynomial fourier expansion summed over the square root of the algorythm for determining horsepower where torque and speed are multiplied to produce grin and tire smoke.
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Well since you put it that way.....makes perfect sense.
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Originally Posted by ls68firebird
Well since you put it that way.....makes perfect sense.
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Originally Posted by -TheBandit-
I worked at Garrett turbochargers for a while doing rotordynamics and developing bearing systems for advanced dual compressor diesel turbos, including this sequential turbo for Ford which had some rather interesting rotordynamic challenges with all that overhung compressor wheel mass. With this qualification under my belt, you should believe me when I tell you that "spinny" is of course a technical term. It's defined as the third term inverse hypothetical integration constant of the fifth order bipolynomial fourier expansion summed over the square root of the algorythm for determining horsepower where torque and speed are multiplied to produce grin and tire smoke.
Nice!
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As an engineer... that all made perfect sense. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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clint, I didn't know you used to work for garrett. I work for honeywell aero, and I've heard that we get a tremendous discount on their turbos. you should've taken advantage.

and the dual compressor setup looks like that in the 85 series APU... designed in the '50s.
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Originally Posted by hookemdevils22
clint, I didn't know you used to work for garrett. I work for honeywell aero, and I've heard that we get a tremendous discount on their turbos. you should've taken advantage.

and the dual compressor setup looks like that in the 85 series APU... designed in the '50s.
the 85 is a beast.
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Originally Posted by DGGM WX3
the 85 is a beast.
Hey, you're working in the APU group now, right? I think Richard has done a couple runs with you. I think I moved over to Engines right when you came onto the group. I've been meaning to check the car out sometime...
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Originally Posted by hookemdevils22
Hey, you're working in the APU group now, right? I think Richard has done a couple runs with you. I think I moved over to Engines right when you came onto the group. I've been meaning to check the car out sometime...
Yep. Your moving to engines allowed me to get hired.. so thanks!

As soon as I get it back on the road, you're more than welcome to
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Flashed engine with a new tune, idles nice at 675 rpm. Started the engine for about 10seconds to lube the turbo but not long enough for things to really warm up. Blocked off the turbo oil feed line and restarted engine... with the oil still cool and no supply to the turbo it was getting 15psi dropping down to 10psi. ****. Guess oilpan has to come off and investigate the pickup o-ring. Come to think of it I believe I put the brand new o-ring on the pickup tube first, but either way pan's gotta come off.. arg!!!
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possibly porosity in the pickup tube welds? I'm sure you check this though
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Before you do that check the pressure with your old gauge.
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anybody hear from joe? looks like this thread died

kidding, kidding. seriously though, what's the latest?
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Going to throw a mechanical gauge on there and start it tonight to confirm shitty oil pressure, and if so, it's gonna be a pull-oil-pan-and-check-oring-but-also-probably-replace-oil-pump drinking party tomorrow... craaaaap.
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When you get close to it, pull the allen plug on the oil pump.
If some reason the bypass plug is stuck, you could be by-passing the oil.

Hope you find a smoking gun though...sucks when you pull apart a motor, make an oily mess only to find nothing wrong...


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