NOSjohn

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Dang, this thread is STILL going?

What some of you guys fail to realize is that the speed of the air at 60mph does NOT change whether you are going 60mph in a Corvette or 60mph in a 10 second drag car. The speed of the air or the Velocity will NOT change unless forced...ala Turbo, Supercharger or other means of "forced" induction.

However, what does change on an N/A car is the amount of air a motor can swallow...ala CFM. As pointed out before in my huge mathmatical elaboration.

So, unless we have a wind tunnel and a VERY accurate aeronautical air meter with 2 indentical cars and 1 with a Vara and 1 with a air bridge CAI...we can just ponder the idea and keep drinking some brew.

Anyone have access to a wind tunnel ? Maybe we can write Mythbusters?

HolyShiznit

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^^^ I am down with sending it in to MythBusters. I will volunteer my car too. Haha.

NOSjohn

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Well, the only stipulation would be is that you would need cars with equal mods and probably equal miles on the odometer.

I wonder if we could just send them the Vara and a Raptor to test flow on the "outlet side " of the piping near the TB?

DocT

NosJohn, didn't Doug at the Z06 Shop test the Veraram and the Raptor on the same vehicle back to back?

glennhl

Sorry, the laws of physics apply. It's not bull crap. However, if you read my post, I never said a good inlet would not work, it's just not due to the ram air effect as much as it is to the cold air inlet. I am sure the Vararam is better than the stock inlet. However, 3 mph? That would be about 30 hp. I find that hard to believe. The drag strip is not a very good judge because of the variables: weather, track conditions, driver input. Sorry that I confused some people with mathematics.

glennhl

One more thing to everyone that took offense to what I wrote, I was not knocking the Vararam, I was just saying that it probably works more due to cold air than the ram effect. However the ram will give you 3 hp at 100mph and that is something, so if you are going to do an inlet, I'd say stick with the Vararam. I apologize if people took this the wrong way, I have always thought the Vararam was an excellent inlet system.

The only thing that caught my eye on earlier posts was someone saying that another inlet would outflow the Vararam because it had a larger opening and they assumed the air went into the opening at the velocity of the car. That's why I wrote my long BORING response! I also posted the calculations to give some people some tools to do their own analysis, this stuff is not rocket science, it's pretty simple.

Robert56

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It's really quite easy. would you rather be pulling in a nice warm 195/225* air from under hood, or an ambient air of 60/70/80? This is were the real power comes from, Cooler Denser Air, and a little more effient at getting it also. Vararam works, period. Other intakes work also from being less restrictive than stock, but Vararam does both= cooler air and less restriction. There is a reason the fast guys use the Vararam.
Robert

NOSjohn

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An interesting thread going on in advanced tech:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...8&page=1&pp=20

The fast Corvette guys you mean, right? There are more fast guys NOT using the Vara than the handful of guys using Vara...Corvette or other. So, if Livernois put one on their Mustang, it may go into the high 5's? Then if Joe from Stenod put one on his car, it would go how much faster? I wonder maybe if we get Mightymouse to put one on his car and fashion the Vara to RAM AIR into his turbo...he may go faster?
I'm just teasing here...but really it's food for thought....c'mon fellas, the speed of air ( at "x" speed ) doesn't change!


My IAT's are at ambient with my CAI...and it's not a Vara.

Robert56

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How are you getting ambient air temps from a standard style under hood air intake?
Ninety percent or more of these FAST guys run the Vararam, not talking turbo's/blowers either, and these are the fastest stockish cars. Please explain?
Z06 Bone Stock and Stock CAI/DOT legal Tires

Ranger------1.64x 60'--11.52x @ 120.21--11/04--CAI/DR ('02) Run Video Time Slip
J-rod--------1.675 60'--11.596 @ 118.53--xx/xx--Zip Tie/DR ('02)
fergy flyer---1.67x 60'--11.5xx @ 118.xx--02/05--CAI/DR ('02)
J-Rod--------1.767 60'--11.606 @ 117.95--xx/xx--ZipTie ('02)
Dr Ron-------1.68x 60'--11.622 @ 119.03--10/04--CAI/DR ('03) Run Video
eb02z06------1.671 60'-11.656 @ 117.75-10/02--CAI ('02) Time Slip
Power Shifter-1.645 60'--11.659 @ 116.97--10/02--CAI/DR
Dr.Ron-------1.711 60'--11.67x @ 119.3x--10/03--CAI ('03) Time Slip
BLU BY U ----1.65x 60'--11.694 @ 116.56--12/02--CAI/DR ('02)
Robert56-----1.653 60'--11.711 @ 115.53--06/05--CAI/DR ('02) Time Slip
Steve Row----1.66x 60'--11.756 @ 116.87--xx/xx-CAI/DR
Vai------------1.xxx 60'--11.781 @ xxx.xx--xx/xx---Bone Stock
J-Rod --------1.818 60'--11.783 @ 116.90--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
Ranger -------1.78x 60'--11.818 @ 117.26--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02) Time Slip
Butcher-------1.77x 60'--11.82x @ 118.8x--10/01--CAI ('02)
427CPE-------1.668 60'--11.850 @ 116.42--06/05--DR ('02)
mike c.--------1.7xx 60'--11.88x @ 118.xx--10/05--Bias-ply
L98Terror-----1.702 60'--11.930 @ 113.98--10/05--CAI/DR ('03)
zular----------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 116.90--xx/xx--CAI
Esoteric-------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 119.xx--xx/xx---Bone Stock
dr.juice-------1.675 60'--11.942 @ 114.78--07/05--ET's ('03)
phantasms----1.xxx 60'--11.945 @ 117.71--xx/xx--ZipTie Mod
Ranger--------1.823 60'--11.947 @ 116.65--12/01--CAI/DR ('01) Time Slip
Z06addikt-----1.xxx 60'--11.949 @ 117.61--xx/xx--CAI/DR
Cyric----------1.747 60'--11.966 @ 116.81--10/05--CAI/DR ('03)
GMHTP--------1.90x 60'--11.97x @ 118.80--03/04--Bone Stock ('04)
BlueZ06-------1.74x 60'--11.97x @ 117.97--xx/xx--CAI/DR ('03)
COUTO1981---1.74x 60'--11.97x @ 117.97--xx/xx--DR ('03)
02 Z06 Racer -1.xxx 60'--11.99x @ 117.61--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
pwrshfd-------1.866 60'--12.048 @ 115.92--12/03--Bone Stock ('02)
rbartick-------1.900 60'--12.049 @ 117.4x--11/03--CAI('02)
MVR 155------1.80x 60'--12.07x @ 114.14--10/05--CAI ('02)
Pray----------1.83x 60'--12.08x @ 115.95--01/06--Bone Stock ('02)
UVETTA-------1.79x 60'--12.09x @ xxx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('03)
Ranger--------1.856 60'--12.145 @ 115.85--09/01--CAI ('01) Time Slip
Nat04Z06-----1.91x 60'--12.205 @ 117.96--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('04)
Chicago Z06 --1.xxx 60'--12.20x @ 118.00--xx/xx--CAI/DR ('02)
Blue Angle-----1.87x 60'--12.21 @ 112.xx--07/04--Bone Stock ('02)
holedgr--------1.77x 60' 12.22 @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
KrisR----------1.877 60'--12.269 @ 115.38--xx/xx--DR ('02)
Mike69--------1.964 60'--12.280 @ 116.07--xx/xx--CAI ('01) Run Video
My1stZ--------2.0xx 60'--12.2xx @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('03)

Z06 Stock Long Block and Bolt Ons (more than cai/dr)
(not sure if all should be here or stock (?), yet)

Dr. Ron-----1.58x 60'--11.21x @ 122.59--11/05--LT/Clutch ('03) Time Slip
Butcher-----1.58x 60'--11.25x @ 123.7--10/04--Bolt Ons/3.90 ('03)
PaulZ06-----1.xxx 60'--11.37x @ 120.xx--xx/xx--Bolt Ons/3.73
Qksiver------1.616 60'--11.405 @123.61--01/05--Bolt Ons/Clutch ('02) Time Slip
Dr. Ron------1.694 60'--11.52 @ 118.5--10/05--cltch/LT ('03)
Roofer Dave-1.57x 60'--11.769 @ 115.96--06/04--Bolt Ons/4.10 ('03)
holedgr-----1.66x 60'--11.62x @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bolt Ons ('02)
MVR 155----1.81x 60'--11.79x @ 117.9xx--11/05--Lt/CAI ('02)
dhajek------1.75x 60'--11.804 @ 118.xx--xx/xx--LT ('02)
Chief Dave--1.70x 60'--11.82x @ 117.70--xx/xx--Bolt Ons ('01)
Blue Angel---1.82x 60'--11.86x @ 118.5x--09/04--LT/CB ('02)
COUTO1981-1.86x 60'--11.93 @ 120.97--10/05--LT ('03)
enderzo6----1.75x 60'--11.984 @ 115.02--10/03--Bolt Ons? ('02)
MSiska------1.830 60'--11.98x @ 117.63--xx/xx--Bolt Ons ('02)
McRat-------1.74x 60'--11.990 @ 114.5x--10/02--Bolt Ons? ('02)
19vette91---1.782 60'--11.994 @ 115.93--09/05--LT ('02)
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The Vararam works, no matter what the nay sayers say.
Robert

DR.Evil

Well we can't just assume that every time it says CAI it means Vararam I know that Ranger uses a Halltech unit I saw him post on another forum about it, and it looks like hes the man......so goes your Vararam theory. This is why they make Corvette's in different colors not everyone likes Red or Black so lets all agree the CAI's are great weather you have a Vararam, Raptor XXL, or a Halltech. They all add additional power and it comes down to what you feel is the right choice. I like to see my gains on the Dyno and thats why I bought a Raptor. If you are happy with the thought that you are going to get extra power while your moving from the vararam and dont care about Dyno numbers then maybe its for you. I have come to find out in the short time I have been on this forum everyone things that the set up thay have works best. If you thought otherwise you would change it right? So lets all agree .............MY SET UP IS BEST ! Just kidding . To all a good night.

Robert56

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Now I never said the Halltech didn't work, however, it uses the same basic engineering as the Vararam dosen't it? taking cold air from outside the car through licsense plate area? so the Halltech and Vararam are very similar to each other compared to the intakes that use warmer under hood air. The fact I was making, and being the author of the fast list, I know for a fact, with out a shadow of a doubt, was that the vast majority on the fast list guys run the Vararam. Now a guy Ranger, because of his driving skill would likely be able to put a warm air cai in the top spot, have you looked at his bone stock place? Now if you like the dyno queen angle of things, that's fine with me, but for myself, the drag strip is what really proves the bacon.
Robert

DocT

I can't believe this thread is still around! I can't believe I'm still following it either

marcus769

I agree w/ HolyShizNit... The numbers may not show on the dyno.

From what i've been reading the power that the V-ram intake provides is mainly above the 60mph mark... It needs airflow to work.. How does it get proper airflow on a dyno with very little air flow flowing!? Most people forget this.

DR.Evil

Robert 90% of Halltech system are a simple under the hood system much like the one Ranger uses. The unit taking cold air from license plate area was replaced by the simple under the hood unit as the dyno and track results were almost identical. So back to my statement "I want to see my gains ". No my car is not dyno queen and I race it and my numbers with just my Halltech and a set of BFG's were almost the same as your ET but you do have a little better 60' time. When I ran my Vararam I had a lower trap speed and a higher ET and a lower Dyno number. All I'm saying is my Dyno number increased with the Halltech (and then again with my Raptor XXL system) my Et dropped and my trap speed increased. Maybe the Vararam just did not work for me. I used it for over a year and could not count the number f passes with it and yes it was an increase over the stock configuration but is it possible that there is a unit as good if not better? Have you ever tried a Halltech or a Raptor or any other CAI and what were your results? I have used the Blackwing,Halltech,Raptor and the Vararam. If you don't compare you don't know ! CAI's are a cheap mod and plus I get bored. Next you will be telling us how your Nitrous system is the only one to use and the rest of us with other systems cant possible get the power or run the 1/4 as fast as a car with your setup. By the way I have cars running NOS,Nitrous Express, TNT, and Edelbrock and I don't have a favorite they all work great but I did get higher than average numbers with the TNT and the Edelbrock. Not saying they work better just that the gains were more substantial and I'm sure you have had people tell you just the opposite. My point is hopes and dreams don't win races Horsepower, Torque, Traction and a little driving skill do.

Robert56

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I know without a shadow of doubt, that you retuned with your Vararam. They cause a lean condition, and thus postive fuel trims which are added to your wot PE multiplier. This will cause a rich condition and a loss of HP at wot. Many throw codes when installed. No I have not used the other CAI's as i did my homework and the Vararam is/was the proven leader. Seems to me, imo, that your trying to justify jumping from intake to intake and none were pleasing enough to stay loyal to. Most get higher than average results with TNT kits, as they under rate their set-ups, meaning a 100 shot gives a 125plus hp output, so is it really a 100hp kit. By the way, why don't you post your time slip and I'll put you on the fast list?
Robert

DR.Evil

No we did not retune with the Vararam as they told us when we installed it not to do anything with the timing or fuel curve as it will cause the unit not to function properly the computer was left alone and this was the first mod I did to my Z06. Look as I have said before Im not trashing Vararam or any of the other products you rep I did see a gain over stock with the vararam but now with a tune and another CAI I have been able to get more to the wheel and better time slips. I just think you should have an open mind to new products in the market. If you try it for yourself and it does not work post about it, tell others what did or did not work for you. Homework? sounds more like looking at your classmates test for answers. If you have never done a side by side test at the track or Dyno how do you really know? Yes the Vararam works better than a stock airbox. What was the best air intake before the Vararam ??? Why dont the top tuners like Callaway and Lingenfelter use the Vararam??? Instead they use under the hood CAI's like the Halltech or the Raptor. Maybe they are just not up to speed ........or maybe they make some of the fastest C5's on the planet.

240sxer

I'm having a real hard time with this. I have a 02 Z06 and I want to get the best CAI. But I can't find out which to get.

I'm thinking vararam... But if they offer a similar or the same gain it's easier i'm sure to install the others... But if I get the raptor it seems like a ziptied airbox with a K&N would be just as effective..

NOSjohn

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240sxer - you have to remember, the engine is like a big air pump. The more air it can flow, the more potential power it can make. If you go back a page or two within this post, you will see I mathematically prove the Raptor can flow more air than the Vara.

The Raptor is cheaper, easier to install and flows more air. I know which one I bought.

Robert - regarding the ambient air temps. If you bought a Raptor, looked at it, then looked at the front of your car from the top and bottom. The front of the car is made to let air intrude to the engine compartment. The combination of both are why my temps are near ambient (edit: within 2 degrees).

240sxer

But colder air is also good... It's sooo hard. Damn, I wish there was something saying which is better. I'm on the fence right now.

HolyShiznit

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Does anyone have a link to this "raptor" intake. I can't find it on any big shops page at all.