13.7 is fastest 4th gen F body
07-21-2010, 08:23 PM
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^agreed... majority of stock ls1s run low 13's. I have only herd of a few crack into the 12's on stock tires, that was indeed in "mineshaft" air. Yes the ls1 in stock form makes the power to run 12's all day... but it needs a better tire to run that time. changing tires should not matter as far as how it affects the car being called "bone stock", long as its a street legal tire imo...
07-21-2010, 09:31 PM
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Is it still stock if you put in different washer fluid?
Is it still stock if you change the floor mats or put on a fancy steering wheel cover?
Is it still stock if you put on different DOT approved tires?
Anything that a Walmart tire shop can do, still remains in the realm of stock IMO.
Is it still stock if you change the floor mats or put on a fancy steering wheel cover?
Is it still stock if you put on different DOT approved tires?
Anything that a Walmart tire shop can do, still remains in the realm of stock IMO.
07-22-2010, 08:36 AM
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All LS1 cars are not created equal...some produce more HP/TQ than others....all driver's are not created equal as well ... some are quicker than others and some are a lot quicker than others ... just as in anything there are some that are better than others...when you have a better driver in one of those better cars combined with a good track and good air lower ETs are the results .... just because you cannot do it does not mean that it does not happen ... 
07-22-2010, 10:39 AM
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Is it still stock if you put in different washer fluid?
Is it still stock if you change the floor mats or put on a fancy steering wheel cover?
Is it still stock if you put on different DOT approved tires?
Anything that a Walmart tire shop can do, still remains in the realm of stock IMO.
Is it still stock if you change the floor mats or put on a fancy steering wheel cover?
Is it still stock if you put on different DOT approved tires?
Anything that a Walmart tire shop can do, still remains in the realm of stock IMO.
What if they inject the washer fluid into the intake.....and advance the timing?
why do you think people run 0 weight oil? hp.....you change the floor mats....the next guy changes his carpet for paper and and loses 40 lbs....You change tires.......the next guy runs 8 lb bogarts...but they are still an aluminum wheel....
LOL, like a mt et drag radial is anywhere close to a oem radial just cause it has a DOT number? lol....
Its like saying lt1's run 10's...stock.....because thats what nhra stockers run.
07-22-2010, 12:04 PM
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i dont know if this technically counts as stock but, they claim stock down to the filter, with mickey thompson DR's. you make the call im just playing devils advocate 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkXFFrpVgRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkXFFrpVgRQ
07-22-2010, 05:23 PM
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Thats about an empty arguement. Thats like saying one car is faster than the other because its got a cherry fragrance and the other is vanilla.
I never said anything about any particular brand of DR. Yes mt et drag is aggresive, but it is still dot and that does mean something. What about bfg or even nitto? Nitto drags are barely a step beyong the best street tire and really....could even be mistaken for one. Your rant on lt1's and nhra is just ridiculous.
07-22-2010, 09:47 PM
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I didnt know Walmart had this service? Do they now do that? What do they use to bump timing? An impact wrench?
Thats about an empty arguement. Thats like saying one car is faster than the other because its got a cherry fragrance and the other is vanilla.
Again, didnt know walmart could do that either. I must be out of the loop.
DR's is where I draw the line. Walmart doesnt sell bogarts (or at least last I checked) but they do sell DR's.
I never said anything about any particular brand of DR. Yes mt et drag is aggresive, but it is still dot and that does mean something. What about bfg or even nitto? Nitto drags are barely a step beyong the best street tire and really....could even be mistaken for one. Your rant on lt1's and nhra is just ridiculous.
Thats about an empty arguement. Thats like saying one car is faster than the other because its got a cherry fragrance and the other is vanilla.
Again, didnt know walmart could do that either. I must be out of the loop.
DR's is where I draw the line. Walmart doesnt sell bogarts (or at least last I checked) but they do sell DR's.
I never said anything about any particular brand of DR. Yes mt et drag is aggresive, but it is still dot and that does mean something. What about bfg or even nitto? Nitto drags are barely a step beyong the best street tire and really....could even be mistaken for one. Your rant on lt1's and nhra is just ridiculous.
Your right this is ridiculous.....if you dont know that 0 wt oil will run faster, then you dont know much.....
BTW, walmart by my house doesnt sell mt's last I checked....and walmart isnt the bench mark to wether a car is stock? Wouldnt be the manufacturer? If gm sells the car with dr's its stock....
07-23-2010, 04:57 PM
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Well whatever your definition of "stock" is, there are "stock" ls1 f-bod's capable of 12's. There IS more than one proof of that in this thread alone. The word "stock" itself is very loose and your definition is more what I would call bone stock or completely as delivered stock.
Question - If a given f-body came from the factory with goodyear street tires, and the owner changed them to BFG street tires, is the car still stock given both tires were to perform exactly the same in any condition? What if the BFG's performed worse than the Goodyear, is it still stock then?
Question - If a given f-body came from the factory with goodyear street tires, and the owner changed them to BFG street tires, is the car still stock given both tires were to perform exactly the same in any condition? What if the BFG's performed worse than the Goodyear, is it still stock then?
07-24-2010, 09:00 AM
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Well whatever your definition of "stock" is, there are "stock" ls1 f-bod's capable of 12's. There IS more than one proof of that in this thread alone. The word "stock" itself is very loose and your definition is more what I would call bone stock or completely as delivered stock.
Question - If a given f-body came from the factory with goodyear street tires, and the owner changed them to BFG street tires, is the car still stock given both tires were to perform exactly the same in any condition? What if the BFG's performed worse than the Goodyear, is it still stock then?
Question - If a given f-body came from the factory with goodyear street tires, and the owner changed them to BFG street tires, is the car still stock given both tires were to perform exactly the same in any condition? What if the BFG's performed worse than the Goodyear, is it still stock then?
07-24-2010, 11:58 AM
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Ok. Well to get back on orginal topic, I ran 13.5 @ 105 or 106 (cant remember) with completely stock, unmolested 2000 Z28 M6. And that was at almost 100k miles.
07-27-2010, 02:02 AM
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I went to the track for the first time last week and my best of the night was 13.616 @ 108 mph for an 02 WS6 m6 bone stock down to the filter.
This is with my still feeling the car out as well, as I have only owned it for 2 months.
Its all in the launch, that night the general consensus by most of the folks there was that it was a crappy prep job.
Bone stock down to the filter with great traction should net you high 12's. Its definitely possible. I'm not sure if have an ls6 intake stock, like on my 02' makes that huge of a difference.
The power for 12's is there bone stock. ITS ALL IN THE LAUNCH and the traction IF good environmental factors like the temperature/wind/elevation exist.
This is with my still feeling the car out as well, as I have only owned it for 2 months.
Its all in the launch, that night the general consensus by most of the folks there was that it was a crappy prep job.
Bone stock down to the filter with great traction should net you high 12's. Its definitely possible. I'm not sure if have an ls6 intake stock, like on my 02' makes that huge of a difference.
The power for 12's is there bone stock. ITS ALL IN THE LAUNCH and the traction IF good environmental factors like the temperature/wind/elevation exist.
07-27-2010, 04:21 PM
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The LS6 intake is good for about a tenth on a stock car. Of course, the cars that came with the LS6 intake do have different casting heads and different cam profiles. My 2000 picked up a tenth with the switch but at that time I was already running 12.8's. The intake got me 12.7's and a couple MPH.
07-29-2010, 10:35 AM
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13.718 @ 101.174 SANAIR Qc. Canada . Sept 24 1995.
1994 Z28 6 sp,t-top,3.42,Dunlop SP8000 tires being the only difference from dealer delivery.
No idea what D.A. or temp was.
1994 Z28 6 sp,t-top,3.42,Dunlop SP8000 tires being the only difference from dealer delivery.
No idea what D.A. or temp was.
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07-29-2010, 04:16 PM
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08-03-2010, 04:01 PM
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When I bought my 01 WS6 I took it to the track after only owning it for two days and I ran 13.1 @ 109 and it was brand new and dead stock. I had plans of going back the next week because I knew it would have run 12s but I put a lid on it and forgot to bring the stock one. So, the next week with just the lid and the stock filter it went 12.8 @110.8.
If I had more seat time and could have figured the car out sooner I know 12.80s 100% stock were possible.
If I had more seat time and could have figured the car out sooner I know 12.80s 100% stock were possible.
08-06-2010, 01:00 PM
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My car would only run 14.2 at 100 stock
I now have slp ram air, slp lid, slp 85mm maf, ported throttle body and smooth bellow on 17" zr1's and still only got a 14.1 at 101 out of it 6 times in a row with a 2.2x 60 ft.
I dont know what the issue is but theres a ls2 gto that was running 14.2's at around 98-99 so my car isnt the only one slower than its supposed to be.
I now have slp ram air, slp lid, slp 85mm maf, ported throttle body and smooth bellow on 17" zr1's and still only got a 14.1 at 101 out of it 6 times in a row with a 2.2x 60 ft.
I dont know what the issue is but theres a ls2 gto that was running 14.2's at around 98-99 so my car isnt the only one slower than its supposed to be.
08-08-2010, 01:07 AM
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My car would only run 14.2 at 100 stock
I now have slp ram air, slp lid, slp 85mm maf, ported throttle body and smooth bellow on 17" zr1's and still only got a 14.1 at 101 out of it 6 times in a row with a 2.2x 60 ft.
I dont know what the issue is but theres a ls2 gto that was running 14.2's at around 98-99 so my car isnt the only one slower than its supposed to be.
I now have slp ram air, slp lid, slp 85mm maf, ported throttle body and smooth bellow on 17" zr1's and still only got a 14.1 at 101 out of it 6 times in a row with a 2.2x 60 ft.
I dont know what the issue is but theres a ls2 gto that was running 14.2's at around 98-99 so my car isnt the only one slower than its supposed to be.
08-15-2010, 01:50 AM
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On my OLD WS6 BONE stock NO mods what so ever i ran a 13.1 and with JUST DRs I was hitting 12.8xx range on avg