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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 11:24 AM
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So they run different classes and weight makes up for the engine differences? So its kinda like a bracket race unless you race someone in your own class?
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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 12:07 PM
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Stockers are WAY COOL. I'm pretty good friends with the Emmon's bro's from Pasadena Tx. I wonder if I can taalk them into letting me drive one of their cars, haha.
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
So they run different classes and weight makes up for the engine differences? So its kinda like a bracket race unless you race someone in your own class?
Like a bracket race, IF you can make it run quicker than the index.
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Originally Posted by studderin
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Johnny,
I knew you always had a secret love for the LT1
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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cambirdracing
Stockers are WAY COOL. I'm pretty good friends with the Emmon's bro's from Pasadena Tx. I wonder if I can taalk them into letting me drive one of their cars, haha.
That is a really nice group of young men, with a fleet of fast cars. I really enjoy visiting with them.

If, they would only call me Ed instead of Mr Wright.....
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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 04:38 PM
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Johnny,
I knew you always had a secret love for the LT1

Hey now, did you see the message I put on the bumper support for you the other day



I just noticed that car has the seams welded up?? dose that realy make then stiffer= et better for time that takes? and the added weight?
why is that car like that? do most guys do that???

did AL crack off thouse 9.90s in a event? Dosn't that scew up the class for everyone, if it is a "in class" run or however it would have yo count?

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B&M car was Terry Allison. Long been sold and went slower after the new owner did his tricks to make it go faster.

Rear disc brakes not needed. Sway bar not needed. Just happy crap people think they need to go fast like 9" ford rears and powerglides. Both big power wasters. Sorry if I offened anyone.

LT 346 HP
LS 369 and 373 depending on hood.

Al would have had to go 9.900 or faster to get automatic HP since the index in A was 11.30 at the time.

The car that has the advantage is the one that has the lower number when you divide the weight by the measured HP.

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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by studderin

I just noticed that car has the seams welded up?? dose that realy make then stiffer= et better for time that takes? and the added weight?
why is that car like that? do most guys do that???

did AL crack off thouse 9.90s in a event? Dosn't that scew up the class for everyone, if it is a "in class" run or however it would have yo count?
The welded seams? Mine aren't, but mine is damn near a stocker. I'll have to pay more attention to other cars.

I know Al did that once at the Winter Nationals at Pomona, CA. Probably other places. You have to do it twice to trigger a "review" of hp ratings.

Honeymoon at the races? Rich, your a very brave man! Don't think I could have ever pulled that off. Been married 45 years now, she could care less anymore. If I'm racing, I'm not in her hair.
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Originally Posted by studderin
Hey now, did you see the message I put on the bumper support for you the other day



I just noticed that car has the seams welded up?? dose that realy make then stiffer= et better for time that takes? and the added weight?
why is that car like that? do most guys do that???
Yeah, I saw that message I pulled a LOL in my garage when I saw it!

Some of the Stock Eliminator chassis builders weld up all the seams/overlaps around the strut towers. I was at FJ Smith's shop about 10 years ago when he was doing this to one of the cars he was building. According to him, it did help some with front end ridgidity......not a lot (according to Fred), but some.
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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 07:30 PM
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Here's a few more I really like that hugger orange car

http://www.autoimagery.com/store/cgi...+tosto&x=9&y=7
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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 11:36 PM
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Bump cause I love these cars!!! I wish I had someone to teach me!!
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 12:14 AM
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i love the stockers! Ed, I remember al corda running somewhere in the 9.90's at pomona. Do you have any idea what weight that was at?
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by promod1955
i love the stockers! Ed, I remember al corda running somewhere in the 9.90's at pomona. Do you have any idea what weight that was at?
Rich could give you a better answer for that. I don't keep up with the NHRA hp factors for stock, but he was probably 3100/3200 or so.
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 04:05 PM
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Ed look close at the pic posted on this page


do you have to run the stock PCM? whats the rules on that and the wiring harness? that car also has the stock pcm moved, or gone?


tim you have any underhood pics of you can in that setup?is looks really killer



So everyone probally runs a 12bolt for the low driveloss. And auto cars running a 10bolt? 8.5 or somthing?

you run the rear drums so you can setthem up for zero drag right?, are they lighter with the alum rotors on the stock parts? or are they some other lighter drums?
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The weight Corda was at was prolly closer to 3080 w/driver in A/SA.

I chose to run the stock pcm in my car and had a harness made for just what I needed it looks alot cleaner to me that way its all hidden. The stock pcm is no power loss on these motors if you have a good tuner (hmmmm futral hmmmm)

Most guys run the Fast or Big stuff 3 there are some cars with the holley commander setup still too.

You can run your computer of choice for management.

There is none of these cars with 10 bolts that I've ever seen.

I run the strange discs on the rear also no drums.


Like was said above these motors have to have stock t/b unported,unported cyl heads and stock intake. Mine is only 346 inches now too, you are allowed a .070 overbore which I chose not to do. I went 10.78 at 3250 pds which isn't bad for my first year I don't think, we did our own motor too.

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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by studderin
Ed look close at the pic posted on this page


do you have to run the stock PCM? whats the rules on that and the wiring harness? that car also has the stock pcm moved, or gone?
Thats Daren Pooles car AKA Gizmo on here. Its a fast system & a very cool car! He won the Mod NA class last year at the LTXshootout. Awesome guy to pit next to.
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by studderin
Ed look close at the pic posted on this page


do you have to run the stock PCM? whats the rules on that and the wiring harness? that car also has the stock pcm moved, or gone?


tim you have any underhood pics of you can in that setup?is looks really killer



So everyone probally runs a 12bolt for the low driveloss. And auto cars running a 10bolt? 8.5 or somthing?

you run the rear drums so you can setthem up for zero drag right?, are they lighter with the alum rotors on the stock parts? or are they some other lighter drums?
Almost nobody runs a factory PCM. Factory wiring is not required. No reason not to, really. Everybody I know mounts their FAST, BS3, Holley, DFI, etc, inside the car.

Several do use a 12 bolt. have to run a pro gear. I lost teeth off of two before going to "pro" gears, no problems since.

My disk brakes don't drag. They spin as easily as drums. Not sure why some use drum brakes, but I do see them.
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here's Darens set up.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-m...ar-wiring.html
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 05:38 PM
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Corda set the NHRA national record in AFIA back about 5 years ago.He went 9.97
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 06:22 PM
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If I remember right back when Corda first ran in the 9's the weight was around 2900 -2950 and the HP was around 346. That was the min weight he could be. That does not mean that is how much he weighed or he may not have been hanging it all out.

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