bone stock motor, with a gear going 12.1s?
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It really comes down to basic math aka power to weight ratio through a 1800 rpm 1.6 str stock converter. You can't compare a car that is lightened by 700-800 pounds to a full weight (or near full weight car). Because when you remove that much weight you ultimately gut it and making it blatantly obvious. So if he had any significant weight reduction then he would know it and so would we.
So there is NO way a 3400+ lb car with 150+ driver is trapping 116 and cutting 1.7 60's with just a lid, gears (through a 12 bolt no less) and full exhaust. Not even close.
So there is NO way a 3400+ lb car with 150+ driver is trapping 116 and cutting 1.7 60's with just a lid, gears (through a 12 bolt no less) and full exhaust. Not even close.
Last edited by darrensls1; 10-12-2011 at 05:04 PM.
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Im very sorry if someone else does not get the same performance as another, ive noticed that some peoples mods in their sigs dont make sense with their trap speeds. I dont understand how a f body with big aftermarket intakes, big cam, headers, etc only trap 117. Are guys putting concrete in the trunks? Its ok if you are, its your car as long as your happy. I had a 35th ann. In 02, before i put a 216-220 little cam in, it went 12.2s at 116 with nothing but mac mids, before the macs, it went 115. It went 121 after the cam and skinnies. It did the 116 and 115 in full weight, full factory wheels, and at the time i weighed 225. I never over tire a car, i never over gear a car, and i never over cam a car. Ive been down the strip at least 7-8k passes, i dont tell lies purposely. There is nothing wrong with being wrong as long as you learn from it. Jesus loves you.
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in b4 "I know it was a LS1 cam it came out of my cousins wifes brothers 01 z28"
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Are guys putting concrete in the trunks? Its ok if you are, its your car as long as your happy. I had a 35th ann. In 02, before i put a 216-220 little cam in, it went 12.2s at 116 with nothing but mac mids, before the macs, it went 115. It went 121 after the cam and skinnies. It did the 116 and 115 in full weight, full factory wheels, and at the time i weighed 225. I never over tire a car, i never over gear a car, and i never over cam a car. Ive been down the strip at least 7-8k passes, i dont tell lies purposely. There is nothing wrong with being wrong as long as you learn from it. Jesus loves you.
My numbers are on par for my mods and full weight including still having my AC. My gears, stall and camshaft all match very well for a drag racing application (which is all the car does these days). What numbers are not on par are the ones being claimed here. Not even close.
And Jesus loves everyone. But that doesn't change the fact that his 60' and trap speed are not possible from a full weight, bolt-on ls1 that is still running the stock torque converter.
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My old 00 Formula A4 that I bought brand new. Went 12.7 @108. This is exactly what was done.
Full weight minus spare/jack and rear seats. Other than that FULL weight.
Stock rims with a 245 Nitto out back.
LCAs,PHB,STB,SFCs other than that bone stock suspension.
Exhaust was a Random Tech cat-back with stock cats and manifolds.
Engine was bone stock with a ported TB. SLP lid, SLP ram air(like the chrs1313 but smaller) and plug wires. Rest of the motor was BONE stock and the trans had never been touched.
Tune was a Hypertech Power programmer.
All that is piddly stuff and the car ran real good IMO.
Now if I added a nice gear, took some weight out, slapped in some LTs without cats, Got a real tune I dont see picking up 8mph impossible. Now just throw in a stall and Im thinking mid 11.s in good weather.
Car might just be a freak.
Full weight minus spare/jack and rear seats. Other than that FULL weight.
Stock rims with a 245 Nitto out back.
LCAs,PHB,STB,SFCs other than that bone stock suspension.
Exhaust was a Random Tech cat-back with stock cats and manifolds.
Engine was bone stock with a ported TB. SLP lid, SLP ram air(like the chrs1313 but smaller) and plug wires. Rest of the motor was BONE stock and the trans had never been touched.
Tune was a Hypertech Power programmer.
All that is piddly stuff and the car ran real good IMO.
Now if I added a nice gear, took some weight out, slapped in some LTs without cats, Got a real tune I dont see picking up 8mph impossible. Now just throw in a stall and Im thinking mid 11.s in good weather.
Car might just be a freak.
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My old 00 Formula A4 that I bought brand new. Went 12.7 @108. This is exactly what was done.
Full weight minus spare/jack and rear seats. Other than that FULL weight.
Stock rims with a 245 Nitto out back.
LCAs,PHB,STB,SFCs other than that bone stock suspension.
Exhaust was a Random Tech cat-back with stock cats and manifolds.
Engine was bone stock with a ported TB. SLP lid, SLP ram air(like the chrs1313 but smaller) and plug wires. Rest of the motor was BONE stock and the trans had never been touched.
Tune was a Hypertech Power programmer.
All that is piddly stuff and the car ran real good IMO.
Full weight minus spare/jack and rear seats. Other than that FULL weight.
Stock rims with a 245 Nitto out back.
LCAs,PHB,STB,SFCs other than that bone stock suspension.
Exhaust was a Random Tech cat-back with stock cats and manifolds.
Engine was bone stock with a ported TB. SLP lid, SLP ram air(like the chrs1313 but smaller) and plug wires. Rest of the motor was BONE stock and the trans had never been touched.
Tune was a Hypertech Power programmer.
All that is piddly stuff and the car ran real good IMO.
So you added roughly 25 rwhp. That's good for about 2 mph in trap speed gains give or take. Lets say the tune and ram air added 1 mph to trap speed. That means you would have trapped 105 stock. The weight reduction you did was good for maybe half a mph.
So 100% bone stock with 100% full weight would have netted you a 104.5 trap speed. A tad high for a pre 01 auto but not unheard of.
To get the car to trapping 116 with no other mods the weight reduction would have to be so extreme that the car would be gutted.
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Actually the car went 101mph bone stock. I picked it up brand new at the dealer and went straight to the track the very next day after work. Car had about 200 miles on it and was just breaking into the 13s. When it went 12.7 the car had about 20k on it. The engine wasnt even broken in yet so Id expect better times one the car loosened up some more.
I also think it would have picked up more with Gears LTs ory and a dyno tune than 3mph. Maybe not 8 but I dont think its impossible.
Hell I went 13.3@103.xx in my LT1 bone stock on a 275 nitto and a B&B cat back but that was a t56. Every car is a bit different with the same mods
I also think it would have picked up more with Gears LTs ory and a dyno tune than 3mph. Maybe not 8 but I dont think its impossible.
Hell I went 13.3@103.xx in my LT1 bone stock on a 275 nitto and a B&B cat back but that was a t56. Every car is a bit different with the same mods
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Actually the car went 101mph bone stock. I picked it up brand new at the dealer and went straight to the track the very next day after work. Car had about 200 miles on it and was just breaking into the 13s. When it went 12.7 the car had about 20k on it. The engine wasnt even broken in yet so Id expect better times one the car loosened up some more.
I also think it would have picked up more with Gears LTs ory and a dyno tune than 3mph. Maybe not 8 but I dont think its impossible.
I also think it would have picked up more with Gears LTs ory and a dyno tune than 3mph. Maybe not 8 but I dont think its impossible.
Hell I went 13.3@103.xx in my LT1 bone stock on a 275 nitto and a B&B cat back but that was a t56. Every car is a bit different with the same mods
In this case the ls1 is claiming a trap speed, 60' and ET that all scream "no way" based on the mods and information presented.
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well i think if they pulled the cam out for a ls6 were did the stock ls6 cam go then i think it went in the ls1 it would be a good little sleeper cam in it come on the 5.3 guy do it when they turbo one i was think about doing it to my 5.3 pick up z06 cam and springs
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I'm very bored at work so I did a little leg work to help put this in perspective.
Here the guy had heads, cam, gears, stall, ect and ran 11.5 @ 119 with a 1.7 60'.
Here it took cam gears and a stall to get an 11.8 @ 114.
He needed a cam, intake. 3.89 gears and a yank SS3600 stall to get an 11.8 @ 115.
This was also a mild heads/cam car with gears and ss4000 stall and it took all that to get 11.7 @ 114.
Here is a stock internal barely breaking the 11's and that was with ss4000 stall and significant weight reduction.
And of course there is me. This was before the good fall air so at that time 11.7 @ 115 was my best. That was with a cam, intake, lid, exhaust, 4400 stall, 4.10 gears and a professional dyno tune. Full weight too minus spare and jack.
There are dozens more like this I can quote but I think I have made my point. This is what it takes to run 11's, trap 114+ and get sub 1.8 60's through an automatic transmission. You either need decent rwhp or lots of weight reduction and every single one had a big stall.
best before saturday was 12.40@113 on street tires. this time i put some skinnies on front and some et streets out back, removed the subwoofer, and let the swaybar hang. first pass i ran 11.86@114 w/ 1.66 60' and .2144 reaction and first time with DRs and skinnies. i was excited as i was only hoping for an 11.99. anyways a quick video that isnt the best quality but at least i have it and my timeslip to prove it. this is a 98 ls1 a4 with 3.73 gears, 3500 stall, and .587 lift cam
Well me and a few friends went to pittsburgh raceway park n ran our cars it was my first time to track we went to and in this new build best of night was 11.78@114.74 with 60' time 1.64 n reaction of .83i still need some track time n also tht was with full tank of fuel lotsa weight lol on et streets with 8lbs of pressure hoovered front wheel im happy with it
it made 438rwhp and 403rwtq through yank ss4000 3.73 gears and catback theres more in the car but i need more track time with it its my first car like this but made me happy so far
it made 438rwhp and 403rwtq through yank ss4000 3.73 gears and catback theres more in the car but i need more track time with it its my first car like this but made me happy so far
Well I finally reached my goal of a 11.99. The car has more it in but the weather wasn't very good. Car has full bolts ons, RPM Level 4 4L60E, and a Yank SS4000. Only suspension is heater hose mod and LCA's. Car weighs 3190 w/o me and 3380 with me. I have LCA relocation brackets to go on now. Racestars with 28x8.5 Et Drags.
1.66 7.62@89.60 11.99@112.55 DA 585'
1.66 7.62@89.60 11.99@112.55 DA 585'
There are dozens more like this I can quote but I think I have made my point. This is what it takes to run 11's, trap 114+ and get sub 1.8 60's through an automatic transmission. You either need decent rwhp or lots of weight reduction and every single one had a big stall.
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this is why i like my 6spd w/ a lid it went 12.98@110, exhuast and underdrive pulley was 12.81@112, after the headers and a tune 12.48@115, right of the street with true street tires with slight weight reduction. most likely he put the ls6 or z06 cam in it and has the ls6 intake maybe an underdrive from the original cam swap.