Terry Burger

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How about no weight limit? Who said racing what supposed to be fair? You damn socialists. Those of us who weight more will just spend more money or lose.

TwoFast4Lv

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LMFAO!

Had not been here in a while.

FIRST off you are forgeting the Slow LT1 cars <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> they rae going to race also....so are the L98 cars and all the other 3rd gen cars.

Hell my 3rd gen was lighter then my 4th gen!

Now McRat I will take you up on your street legal status and Still run my slow azz 11s..THROUGH the cat with a 3700+ race wieght! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

I will give you all this....At least you are not argueing about carbs yet hehehe.

It is much more cival here. I kind of like that.

Keep up the good work guy's

Bob Cosby

[quote]WHERE THE HELL DO YOU PULL 360 lbs MORE<hr></blockquote>

Easy...do this...



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JS

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There should be a 346CI class
Most guys dont have strokers or the $$ to build strokers IMO...

Now for the weight requirements on whatever u guys decide.First off I used to be the guy busting people's ***** for no ac,pwr steering,carpets,and other BS.But I gotta agree with Terry.It doesnt make your car any less impressive if u removed thing from it.

I dont have AC in my car,pwr steering,and some other goodies have been removed.SO WHAT?
I only drive it 4000 a yr.I want a street/strip car and I didnt need these things.

I would like to see a minimum {3300lb} weight class even if u guys dont have a 346I class.That would make it fun.


Truthfully..
Lately I've been thinking of putting the AC ETC back in the car and building a 385CI.Then I'd be like Tony.It would only run 10.90's w/my fat *** but it would make for an enjoyable ride.Decisions,Decisions?

JS

KECHME

You guys keep arguing about race weight, I'm gonna just go hunt some pro 5.0 cars. The real problem here is the fact that every body wants to be the top dog. Make an all out class. If some body shows up with a gutted 86 iroc with 450 cubic inches of LS1 motivation under the hood, then they will probably win the class. SO WHAT!?!?!?!?!?! Respect there effort, or don't, it's your choice. Don't race your street car in this class and you won't lose, get the picture? I hate the fact that we are constantly stiffleing the forward progress of LS1 powered performance cars for the sake of some peoples' pride. I wanna see some pro 5.0 cars go down by the end of the year. Ford vs Chevy on the ultimate door slammer level, CAN I GET AN AMEN?!?!?!?

Snake Skinner

I sit back and see points to everyone's side. Take a look at it this way, you can't satisfy everyone. Colonel has taken time, money, and dedication to reducing the weight of his car so should you punish him for doing that? That's not for me to answer. Then there are people like me who drive my car probably more than any of you on here, in the last year I've put 35,000 miles on my car and it's a 98 with 68,000 miles on it now. It weighs 3900 pounds give or take a few, I am a big guy and have a heavy car and therefore it still have everything from the factory still on it. Some don't want a stripped car and some do. Everyone has a good point, but I would like to see a class for LS1 cars without the big name sponsors on board their cars. For instance my car has nothing from ARE or MTI on it at all. Think of it this way, a class possibly to fit TPI, LTI, and LS1 guys into the same class??? Would this work, who knows and can it work, only the sponsors or officials will decide. I was a volunteer at last years NFRA event from the KY F-Bodies so I couldn't get in there, but I will run in the LS1 N/A class this year. I wouldn't expect to come close to winning, but I also have a true "Street" car that put up 406 RWHP and 419 RWTQ and I am proud of that myself with 346 C.I. In the end it all comes down to money, time, and dedication, but you also can't have too many classes as then you'd need a weekend to complete the program.

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Skelton

Somebody needs to get some dates set and set some weight limits and class rules then stick by them. As far as chasing Pro-5.0 cars, wake up and quit dreaming. They're shooting for 6.50's this year, the Outlaw Streets will turn 7.50's and the damn 310c.i. Renegades will be running 8's.If the NFRA is going to make it, Everything needs to be laid out(dates, rules, etc.) That way we can build a car for a class instead of sitting around and waiting to see what we may be able to compete in.

[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: Y2K Blackbird ]</p>

Colonel

[quote]Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>Oh I see.... you want a class with rules to fit you (ie strip the car to the bone where it's not usable or nothing but racing). So really you don't want a unlimted class you want a Colonel class.... That shouldn't be to hard being that you and PSJ is really tight.

OK what could we call the class??? I've got it.... we could call it the "Let's let "The Colonel" be 300lbs lighter than everybody else that way he might be competitive class".

Don't forget even with "The Colonel advantage weight rule" you still got to win three or four rounds of racing and that's gonna be hard to do even if PSJ get's you an alarm clock to get you to the track before noon. Timeslips don't count.

<img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Goodness Joe, who pissed in your Christmas stocking? <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> You mind telling me what your hostility towards me is all about? What the hell have I ever done to you??? I've helped you when I could. I've congratulated you when you've done well. I've let bygones be bygones. I've complimented you on your very nice car. I've been nothing but nice to you the few times we've briefly met. ...And what do I get? <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0">

Look, I really don't give a damn what the weight limit is at the NFRA event. I don't even care if I win. (Oh sure it'd be fun, but really, it's just another small day in my life.) I'm going to the NFRA event to have a good time....that's it! I don't care what the prize money is or how big the trophy is. So the cards are stacked against me if I have to add 500 lbs back to my car....do I really give a ****? Nope, just so long as the beer is cold and there are lots of cool people there to meet and hang out with. <img src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> That's what it's all about to me. Nothing to get my panties in a wad about. Nothing to whine, bitch, moan, and cry about just because the world isn't just like I want it that day. I'll tip my hat and say congrats to whoever wins and then I'll head to the nearest chicken wing bar to socialize, talk about the fun we had, and have a cold one or two. <img src="graemlins/gr_chug.gif" border="0" alt="[chug]" />

Calm down man, seriously...it's just a hobby. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: Colonel ]</p>

Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

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[quote]Originally posted by KECHME:
<strong>You guys keep arguing about race weight, I'm gonna just go hunt some pro 5.0 cars. The real problem here is the fact that every body wants to be the top dog. Make an all out class. If some body shows up with a gutted 86 iroc with 450 cubic inches of LS1 motivation under the hood, then they will probably win the class. SO WHAT!?!?!?!?!?! Respect there effort, or don't, it's your choice. Don't race your street car in this class and you won't lose, get the picture? I hate the fact that we are constantly stiffleing the forward progress of LS1 powered performance cars for the sake of some peoples' pride. I wanna see some pro 5.0 cars go down by the end of the year. Ford vs Chevy on the ultimate door slammer level, CAN I GET AN AMEN?!?!?!?</strong><hr></blockquote>

AMEN! <img src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" border="0" alt="[hail]" />

KECHME

[quote]Originally posted by Y2K Blackbird:
<strong> As far as chasing Pro-5.0 cars, wake up and quit dreaming. They're shooting for 6.50's this year, the Outlaw Streets will turn 7.50's and the damn 310c.i. Renegades will be running 8's.If the NFRA is going to make it, Everything needs to be laid out(dates, rules, etc.) That way we can build a car for a class instead of sitting around and waiting to see what we may be able to compete in.

[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: Y2K Blackbird ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


Y2K Blackbird, I agree with you on every issue with the exception of one <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> . What makes you think that an LS1 powered car won't run the time slips that the big dog mustang racers are looking for? Before the year is out there will be at least 3 or 4 cars in the 8's, and at least 1 in the 7's. I personally know of some projects that will come to completion this year that will make these things come to pass. I also understand the common mans plight, lets get some rules together and we will race by them this year. If we see a new trend next year then we can alter the classes to include these vehicles. I too, am being selfish for wanting an all out class to compete in. I will just race in what ever class suits my taste, or I'll just show up and make some exhibition passes. Pro 5.0 is probably out of the question THIS year, but don't think the mustang boys are going to be the only ones with single power adder, factory style suspension, cars in the 7's this year.

Terry Burger

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[quote]
I'll tip my hat and say congrats to whoever wins and then I'll head to the nearest chicken wing bar to socialize, talk about the fun we had, and have a cold one or two.
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I'll drink to that! <img src="graemlins/gr_chug.gif" border="0" alt="[chug]" />

Richie Carbone

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I would like to see a minimum weight of 3400lbs so that the average racer can compete, and the rules pertaining to what can and cannot be removed should eliminated so that the heavier guys (me included) can get the car to be equal in weight to someone who weighs 90-100 lbs less than they do. If someone needs to remove their bumper supports to get 46 lbs off the car to get down to the minimum weight then they should be allowed to do so, some others may not have to remove the supports to get the weight down to the minimum but some of us do.
If the cars are close in power and weight the only thing that will separate the men from the boys will be the skill of the driver!

Just my .02 <img src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Cmarsh93z

[quote]Originally posted by KECHME:
<strong>I wanna see some pro 5.0 cars go down by the end of the year. CAN I GET AN AMEN?!?!?!?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I won't give ya an AMEN, but I sure as hell can tell you that Pro 5.0 cars have NOTHING IN THE WORLD to worry about when it comes to LS1's. I about fell out of my chair when I read that. Kechme....have you ever seen a Pro 5.0 car in person? Have you seen the budget that goes into one? If you sold your whole shop, you might be able to finance a motor.

Lets all put the crack down and get real.....there will prob never be a good F-body racing series like there is for the Stang crowd. Of the 10% of F-body owners that like to race their cars........90% of them are worried if the large Borla baffle makes more hp, or if they are better served with keeping the smaller baffle......for torque <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Your not gonna have a serious race series with people like that. I recently went to World Ford Challange, and to Fastest StreetCar shootout in Orlando...where some of the top racers in their respective classes battled it out. When you walk through the pits, you see race cars...with race teams, and race budgets. I didn't pass any freakin Zanio tents, or racers talking about which control arm bushing is the most forgiving on the drive to grandma's. Sorry to tell ya, but thats the f-body world for ya. Instead of actual Et's, the racers are more worried about which "list" they are on, who likes them on xxxx.com......ect. Im not saying ALL f-body racers are like that....I saw a few fast 4th-gens at Orlando <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Chris

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Cmarsh93z ]

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Cmarsh93z ]</p>

LS194z

Let me be the first to give that an AMEN!!!

Bob Cosby

Wow...this ones for you, Chris. <img src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

KECHME

Boy Chris you really told me! Hey, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!!! I guess I should just sell my car and go work on mustangs for a living, NOT. I do know what it takes to run pro 5.0, A SPONSOR. Guess what, I HAVE ONE! BUT, I am not going to find a sponsor to back a car, that does'nt even have a class to race in. I am here to tell you that with 4 or 5 years of serious racing under our belts LS1 derived cars can go to the same level as pro 5.0. Make any arguement that you wish (block design, cylinder head design, chassis engineering issues, etc etc etc) and I'll give you the solution to your query, MONEY!. You are right about the low level of true race built LS1 cars. Guess what, there is a reason. Most people still owe money on thier cars. Either way, don't assume you know me, because you don't.My statements about "seeing a pro 5.0 car go down" were not made out of ignorance, I know what those cars are capable of. I am simply trying to rally the troops. LS1'ers he's right on one thing for sure, go to any fun ford event in your F body and you'll get laughed at until you leave. Does'nt any body want to change this?, or is it just me?.

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: KECHME ]</p>

Crazyquik

He's got a good point. Right now there aren't many people that are going to buy a 25k dollar car and turn it into a purpose built street legal race car. On the other hand I've seen a 98 LS1 Z for less than $10k and LT1s cars are sometimes half that. We know the resale (or lack of) of these cars. In 3 or 4 years the head sealing/block strength/intake technology, whatever of the LS1 will have come a long way, and there will be 4th gens for sale at even more moderate prices. Makes me think there will be some even more radical builds. What the NFRA has to decide is if it wants to stay street oriented, or add/change into more race car type classes.

J.

Skelton

You guys make me LOL. Your talking about someone spending 25k for a car and then worrying about payments so they dont want a race car. Hell, the damn motors in Pro-5.0 cars cost 100k plus, the 25.1 chassis are an easy 75k and with just a sitting car they have 250,000+ in them. Then you need spare motors, motor parts, trans, 250,000 rigs, etc, etc. Some of these outfits are 1 million plus operations at any given event.They can at times blow the doors off of NHRA Pro-Stockers. Not to mention that the new John Bennett motors are making 2200hp. I'll keep my ls1 but will be smart enough to know who the kings are. Maybe in 10 years the ls1 may catch up. Thats about how far the technology is behind as far as R&D goes.But as for now I would like to see some rules laid down and a racing organization formed that can grow and become popular.That way we can class race in a race organization and not www.com race.I'm looking for an easy 20k+ dump next year into my bird and would like to run at least mid 9's with a 400+ cube motor and a direct port. But where? At my local tracks bracket racing?

Pro Stock John

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**Just a short note. As you folks may recall, NFRA is the brainchild of Chris Endres and yours truly, with substantial in put from hundreds of enthusiasts.

We are at a crossroads.

We held the 2001 event under adverse conditions.

But we have been bashed pretty hard over at www.camaroz28.com in the drag racing section a lot in the last few months. I know that the bashing has taken the wind out of our sales.

Back to point, NFRA has a loooong way to go to become an NMRA or World Ford Challenge. We'd need the same deep pockets that James Lawrence and those folks have at NMRA/Primedia Publishing.

If we for sure do anything in 2002, we have entertained the idea of breaking things up.

So liteweight cars like the Colonel would fall into Xtreme Street NA... 3000 minimum raceweight, no transmission restrictions. Super street would have a 3400 racweight and require a OEM style transmission... Ditto for power adder. Heads up racing, pitting a LT1 Z like Steve Quinn's. 10.4 NA car against the Colonel. Quinn was 10.4 last year, but that was with a small cube motor. I heard he might step it up this year. Tom Guellich in his 3rd gen would fit this class too. He has run 9.9's... We'd still run LS1 only classes but these other classes would mirror somee of the NMRA class structures.

Keep in mind that even a disorganized event takes more effort than most folks can appreciate. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Pro Stock John

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**Just a short note. As you folks may recall, NFRA is the brainchild of Chris Endres and yours truly, with substantial input from hundreds of you enthusiasts.

We are at a crossroads.

We held the 2001 event under adverse conditions.

But we have been bashed pretty hard over at www.camaroz28.com in the drag racing section a lot in the last few months. I know that the bashing has taken the wind out of our sales.

Back to point, NFRA has a loooong way to go to become an NMRA or World Ford Challenge. We'd need the same deep pockets that James Lawrence and those folks have at NMRA/Primedia Publishing.

If we for sure do anything in 2002, we have entertained the idea of breaking things up.

So liteweight cars like the Colonel would fall into Xtreme Street NA... 3000 minimum raceweight, no transmission restrictions. Super street would have a 3400 racweight and require a OEM style transmission... Ditto for power adder. Heads up racing, pitting a LT1 Z like Steve Quinn's. 10.4 NA car against the Colonel. Quinn was 10.4 last year, but that was with a small cube motor. I heard he might step it up this year. Tom Guellich in his 3rd gen would fit this class too. He has run 9.9's... We'd still run LS1 only classes but these other classes would mirror somee of the NMRA class structures.

Keep in mind that even a disorganized event takes more effort than most folks can appreciate. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Pro Stock John ]</p>