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Old 10-27-2023, 07:56 PM
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Default My Stock Internal A4 buid thread...10's???

So my dad and I pushed my maroon car and got the 6 speed stock internal record. I’m playing with my black auto these days and would love to get it in the 10s stock internal.

(for the Newbz “stock internal” means stock cam, heads, bottom end etc aka not opened/upgraded in any way and of course no power adders of any kind)

In the past it went a best of 11.5 but have some new plans for it. After it ran that, it was returned to stock and stored away for the most part. I have 4 kids now and run a business so the good ol’days feel far behind (back when Ls1tech was the sh*t!)

So I’m going to do an old school build thread. No one cares about these old records anymore but I like pushing towards a goal and would like to run 10s stock internal. This while keeping the car as stock appearing as possible and not doing anything crazy like running nitro etc 😂

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02 Camaro SLP SS 345hp blackwing/GMMG car with 40k miles









Currently the car has a black wing lid, ported stock TB, SLP underdrive pulley and Yank SS3600. Also has the standard weight out of it like backseat, spare tire, bumper supports etc and ran a 12.2 @ 110. Not fast but the DA wasn’t great and still has stock exhaust manifolds/cats 😂

When the car ran an 11.5 it had the same intake setup plus a SSRA and 1 3/4 headers. Stock shocks. Tuned removing codes etc, but no dyno tune and no AFR logging/tuning

The plan for 10s:

Mamo ported Fast 102intake/Tb
4in Chrs1313 pro mod style intake
Meziere electric water pump
Actually tune the car maybe dyno tune, but definitely AFR reading and actually tune it 😂
1 7/8 wrapped headers w/true duals
Vacuum pump
Kmember
A-arms
Drag brakes
and plenty of little things/things I’m forgetting….



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Look forward to the build and updates, How much gear and converter you plan on putting in? My guess you will have to get that thing to 3000-3100lbs to try and run 10's
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Originally Posted by Shadow02SS
Look forward to the build and updates, How much gear and converter you plan on putting in? My guess you will have to get that thing to 3000-3100lbs to try and run 10's
The updates may come in waves as motivation and life sways it 😂

But to answer, it currently has 3.42s and Yank 3600. I’m planning on running with that for now although the converter feels tight.

As far as weight that’s what I’m thinking too, but I’m confident it can be done without cutting up the car too much and still stock appearing. Aka I’m not doing a RSM front end or cutting out the ttop area etc but will be sneaking weight out anywhere I can.
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Quickest stock internal ls1 auto 4th gen went 10.6 @ something. A member on here. I can't remember his username now
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Originally Posted by Launch
Quickest stock internal ls1 auto 4th gen went 10.6 @ something. A member on here. I can't remember his username now
Yep, the king.
  1. RUQWIKR -------- 10.685 @ 122.91 (1.37), 01 Formula T400, ATI4600, 4.56, 3060, 03/08

I don’t expect to push this car far enough to beat that, but I’d like to get in the 10’s. If I did then I could take 4th or 2-3. 2nd place is 10.86 and 3rd is 10.98
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Not much of an update, but i did sell my Weld s71s and built some wood wheel cribs for the upcoming projects.

I really liked the Welds, but they are pretty heavy. I think I can save 40-50lbs switching to Bogarts.

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Weld s71 rim weights:

Rear 15x10 with MT et street radial 295/55/15 weigh 47lb

Front 15x4 with MT 26x6 sportsman 30.4lb




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I ran stock internals with an A4 for a bit and imo the 3600 converter isn’t enough. I’d go at least 4000 maybe 4400 with 4.56s. As you know from personal experience it’s all in the 60’ and that needs to be in the 1.5s. Your rear suspension is key. An anti roll bar made a big difference for me and I was running et streets and could hook anywhere with that comb and stock internals.

Your tire choice is more than enough. I was running a 255 and hooking on the foot brake.

BTW it’s really cool to outrun these new muscle cars with a 20 plus year old stocker. I made a lot of money off coyotes and 392 scat packs. They’d all pull a 1.8-2.2 60’ and then they have to run me down because I was cutting 1.58 60’s.
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Originally Posted by jhshnh
I ran stock internals with an A4 for a bit and imo the 3600 converter isn’t enough. I’d go at least 4000 maybe 4400 with 4.56s. As you know from personal experience it’s all in the 60’ and that needs to be in the 1.5s. Your rear suspension is key. An anti roll bar made a big difference for me and I was running et streets and could hook anywhere with that comb and stock internals.

Your tire choice is more than enough. I was running a 255 and hooking on the foot brake.

BTW it’s really cool to outrun these new muscle cars with a 20 plus year old stocker. I made a lot of money off coyotes and 392 scat packs. They’d all pull a 1.8-2.2 60’ and then they have to run me down because I was cutting 1.58 60’s.
I agree the 3600 is a bit tight. To get in 10s I probably need to get in the 1.4s. But I plan to run it for now. Previously the same car ran 1.58 60ft with a Yank 3600 and 3.23 rear gear.

And yes I agree it’s awesome to remind these guys what these cars used to be. Even as it sits it only has a lid and underdrive pulley/converter and it runs consistent bottom 12s. Which isn’t fast but is fast enough to beat a lot of coyotes etc at the track bc they don’t get traction. Then they ask whats done and it still has stock exhaust etc 😂
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Picked up the Bogarts. Plan to swap out the tires for Hoosier drag radials and Goodyear fronts unless someone knows lighter options…

FYI Bogart D10 Rim weights:

Rear 15x10 with M/T et drag 26x10 : 34.4lb

Front 15x4 with MT 26x6 et radial: 21.8lb

Difference:

17.2 front

25.2 rear

42.4lb total savings




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I agree, 3600 convertor isn't enough. I was reading, thinking that, then someone said it. I'd do at least a 4400
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy
I agree, 3600 convertor isn't enough. I was reading, thinking that, then someone said it. I'd do at least a 4400
Apprecite it. Not planning to change at the moment, but will when/if needed. Who does everyone like for Uber efficient converters these days.
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Dad of 4 progress... Got the car up on the wheel cribs and started the electric water pump install thanks to Ls1howto.com





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Headers going on. Went with 1 7/8s speed engineering stainless headers. Seem to be quite good quality. Newer ones have the velocity spike as well. I weighed the stock manifolds/cats vs the headers for fun. I was surprised with the difference.

Stock manifolds 46.8lbs:




Speed engineering headers 24.6lbs:




total loss: 22.2lbs off the nose
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I plan to document things on here even if they are small fyi

2lbs 12.2oz lost removing the front sway bar brackets. Easy to remove just a few bolts on each.



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Bad *** car! What RPM do you shift at?
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Bad *** car! What RPM do you shift at?
Thanks man. I’d have to check my hptuners but it’s either 6100 or 6200
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So pretty much stock?
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Originally Posted by Threadzy
So pretty much stock?

its been a long time since I adjusted it, but I’m pretty sure stock they shift between 5800-6000 and I think mine is 6200.

the stock ls1 springs can’t handle much more then that unfortunately. The stock can doesn’t really make power much higher anyways, but we did see improvement raising a few 100 rpms
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Update

buttoned up the electric water pump and pulled the intake.

Lots of parts came in. Mamo fast 102, 102 throttle body, Ls2 injectors, ls2 fuel rail, Hoosier drag radials and lots more. Will get pics.

Here are some of the intake for now.







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Repinned the 02 sensors so that I can use the rear 02s for my front 02s and skip the extensions etc.

I followed this write up FYI. Was pretty straight forward and easy to do once I wrapped my head around it.

WRITE-UP Re-Pin 02s for header install





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