Stefan D.

This sounds like fun! 30 mile drive, no problem. Factory EFI, yup. Full interior, stock suspension and now W tires. Please alow us LT-1s a chance to whip all those pesky LS-1s to sleep <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> !!!! Where do I sign up. Sounds like good clean fun. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

Stefan D.
TY TECH LT-4 396 Trans AM
"King of the Cane Field" <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />

JimmyKash

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FSTR-THANU:
<strong>F-Car
SBC
EFI Car
25mi cruise
10.5 tire (dot)
3200lb min
full interior
stock style suspension

As far as the rest goes, RUN WATCHA BRUNG!

Tom</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now heres an idea....i would say that with the times a lot of people are putting down nowadays a 10.5" DOT tire isn't going to be enough. If fact, it is kinda dangerous. A 10.5" DOT tire has what, less that 9" of tread right? I would say make it 12.5" max sidewall rating and DOT approved. At least this way it has 10" of tread or so

FSTR-THANU

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F-Car
SBC
EFI Car
25mi cruise
12.5 tire (dot)
3200lb min
full interior
stock style suspension

As far as the rest goes, RUN WATCHA BRUNG!

I think the 12.5 is fair as long as it is DOT.

Tom

JimmyKash

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FSTR-THANU:
<strong>
I think the 12.5 is fair as long as it is DOT.

Tom</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">exactly cuz it gives a good 10" of actual tread which a lot of the faster cars need

and if Lee Howie can go 8.20s on 12.5" DOT Hoosiers...none of us should be complaining <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

SLED28

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I think the 25mi cruise will knockout a handfull of cars, ex: Fuel cells... Our Silver and Blue f-cars also don't have plates on the anymore to drive on the street. Just line them up and race them! 8 or 9 sec cars aren't exactly street legal!

As for other things, let everybody fit. But if someone has a certain advantage, give them a weight penalty! Could be a certain tranny, sheetmetal intake, aftermarket block, whatever, just even it out a little but let everyone play!

Tracks that could work... E-Town maybe? Maple Grove (hooks hard), or Bowling Green....

NEWBIRD

What do you guys say to a LS1 that I will be putting a fairly good tub in.It will house a 14 inch wide street dot tire does that now rule me out? I still have full int a/c stereo aand will make sure it holds atleast 15g of fuel.Please don't build the rules around your car or atleast to your benefit!

FSTR-THANU

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Dave - I checked out a few things as far as the drive goes and I can very easily arrange a police escort for the caravan. This would help the cars without plates.

As of now we are looking at the 1st or second week of April.

So, to cruise or not to cruise, that is the question!

Tom

OSR 1

we used run around the road course at memphis during the hot rod nmca races ,that way if some one breaks down their near the trailers.
we used to run 648 ci cars with lencos for 25 miles and the stands were packed for that.
orlando world street final did the same thing just ran around the pits and track and they let you stop for fuel if needed or water thats it
fans love stuff

SLED28

iTrader: (7)

I've been to those Memphis shootouts with the cruises.. It was cool for the fans but boring for the drivers...On the street is even worse.. Some guys might even have to buy special rims tires for the drive due to offset wheels... You don't wanna drive Slicks on the street, then run 150 , 160mph on them! Could cut a tire..
Those cruises kill me! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Pro Stock John

iTrader: (34)

1- 25-30 miles is standard. When in doubt use NMRA as your guide.

2- How much $$$ to win? You already have Sled reading the post but hey what will incentivize a guy with a car like that to put a bigger cell in it to compete and do big tow to BG.

Welcome to my world Tom.

IMO I would do a quick 8 or 16 after one qualifier and allow folks to compete in other classes as well so they get a double bang for their entrance fee.

3- You have to hire off-duty police officers and maybe get a permit if they get **** about it, we researched twice.

I'd be glad to discuss.

OSR 1

did it two years at memphis and orlando
was not boring
bit my nails for half hour
also you did not have to run on your racing tires
also were able to service car after drive
i wouldn't what to do it on the street though

SLED28

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by OSR 1:
<strong>
i wouldn't what to do it on the street though</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just imagine if you did have some bad luck 10miles away <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> PITAss

OSR 1

Don't mean to beat a dead horse, its just I'm getting excited (bring me back to the days when I raced the nmca series ) with all the talk lately on whos faster

this could turn into a great race
do something like the memphis race and give weight breaks to get as many cars as you can ie;
2800lbs motor
3200lbs power adder
things like that
have a couple of neutral people work on the rules
than have a race
rank the cars
to find the TOP TEN F-BODY CARS
hell my company will buy the jackets
what do you think Tom
I talked to Chris at Diamond today
and told him I will help with sponsoring

QUASAR

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I have seen Tom's car every weekend when it was together running around. A true street car is one that you can drive around on a saturday night cruzin, and then run at the track the next day.

I think it should be all LS1.
The full 50 mile trip is reasonable. Hell there should be a stop for gas ans it should be a 100 mile trip. That right there should separate the street cars from the race cars. 1/2 of the distance should be highway.

Like I said when you can take the car out to cruize, and then go to the track, you have a streetcar. Harlan, Tom, and Daren (9sec lt1 vert) all have those.

Its cool to see the 4th gens getting reaaaly fast nowadays breaking all records and stuff, but a streetcar doing that is 10x more impressive.

<img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" />

zturbo

Very interesting I would be game for this completely. I will not do a 100 mile cruise for sure though. I would do a 25 if i had to then race but would want to do the cruise on a sep set of tires. (no way will i cruise on the slicks i race on) No LS1 here but sounds like a blast to me
Steven

JimmyKash

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by zturbo:
<strong> but would want to do the cruise on a sep set of tires. (no way will i cruise on the slicks i race on) No LS1 here but sounds like a blast to me
Steven</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">bah...woman

What do you think those guys in Wild Street did? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

AP-Engineering

Guy's don't be afraid of the older F-body's. Allow all F-cars to enter. Carb's and fuel injection. This way you will have a large car count and the prize money can be bigger. Incorporate the 25 mile cruise, allow cars to fill up after and tune. Also allow them to run radials during the cruise. The cruise will at least cut out some of the "race cars" that everyone is worried about. Also should make the field closer. Don't worry about who's got what suspension. Limit the tire size to 12.5" DOT or slicks, that should take care of most people then. Hand out awards to the fastest F-body at the event and then a award to the person that is closest to each second marker, i.e., closet to 10.0, closet to 11.0, closet to 12.0. That is what the NMRA does.

As for street cars I guess the guy's here in Detroit have a different view of what we consider street cars. On any given Friday & Saturday night you can find Tom, Harlan and myself street driving our race cars. We also have been known to run SLICKS on the street. I am in favor of the 25 mile drive and my car only has a 5 gallon fuel cell, also I have a carb on my engine and would still be able to make the 25 mile drive. It will be close on the fuel though.

Tom, Diamond Pistons will gladly help you with sponsorship, just let me know when. Also I did talk to Ken at Eastside Service and he also said that he would be up for sponsorship. So it sounds like all you need to do is set a date, throw down the rules that we will have to live by and have at it. May the best car win.

This should be a great race, keep the input coming.

Thanks,
Chris Gelineau
Diamond Pistons
877-552-2112 toll free
cgelineau@diamondracing.net

ROB'S SS

why do i keep seeing the word "slicks"? "street legal". that means dot tires. that also means mufflers!!!!!! cut-outs and open headers arent "street legal". so you need to ask yourself, are you looking for the fastest "street legal" car, or the fastest car that can be driven on a 25 mile closed course? i would definately say use NMCA rules for this thing. and i do believe the rules say that the car must be raced in the same trim that it did the 25 mile street test in. thats just my $.02.

FSTR-THANU

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Here is the 1st draft for the rules. The cruise portion is still up for debate.

King of the Hill

King of the Hill is a heads-up class designed for EFI 4th Gen Camaro’s and Firebird’s. All forms of power adders are allowed. All entries compete on a 12.5-inch maximum contact patch.

Requirements:

Body - The body must be stock in appearance and profiles. Aftermarket fiberglass replacement panels are limited to the hood.

Interior – OEM dash is required, equipment such as turn signals, ignition key, hazards, light switches must be functional. Stock-type pedals in stock location are required. Full interior, carpet, and headliner are required. Aftermarket bucket seats are allowed. A full stock dashboard with instruments (aftermarket instruments are allowed), controls, and wiring must be retained. A heater is optional. The back seat may be deleted; however, the exposed area must be carpeted.

Wheeltubs - Aftermarket wheeltubs are not allowed and should resemble an OEM appearance.

Chassis - Complete stock frame must be retained over the entire length of the chassis with the following exceptions: (1) Front K member may be of tubular construction; (2) Notching is allowed for the purpose of providing tire clearance only.

Front Suspension - Stock front suspension is required. Aftermarket direct-replacement components are allowed as long as stock mounting points are maintained. Shocks must mount in stock location.

Rear Suspension - Aftermarket torque arms are permitted. Attachment points on body or frame must remain in stock location. Wheelie bars are acceptable; however, they may not extend beyond the rear bumper.

Automatic Transmission - Automatic transmissions originally produced by any American automobile manufacturer are required. Transmission-to-engine adapters are permitted. Aftermarket torque converter, trans-brake, shift kit, valvebody, pan cooler, and shifter use are permitted. All shifts must be made manually without the aid of aftermarket electric or pneumatic devices.

Manual Transmission - Any manual transmission built by an automotive manufacturer, with stock case is acceptable.

Rearend - Any rearend manufactured by Ford, GM, or Chrysler is allowed. Spools, aftermarket axles, and any gear ratio are allowed.

Engine - Any GM L98 - LT1 - LS1 based engine is allowed. C5R Engine is allowed at a 100lb. weight penalty. No restrictions on internal engine modifications.

Exhaust - Mufflers are required. Header mufflers are ok.

Fuel System - Fuel cells, electric fuel pumps, pressure regulators, and any line size is permitted.

Base Weight (W/Driver)
Naturally Aspirated, 6.5 lbs per cubic inch
Power Adder, 7.6 lbs per cubic inch

There will also be a pure street class run heads up on 4 index's open to all vehicle makes and models.

Prize money is still TBD but $1500.00 is the planned winner takes all for the King of the Hill. Trophies and sponsor prizes will be given to all other classes.

Tom

ROB'S SS

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FSTR-THANU:
<strong>I can very easily arrange a police escort for the caravan. This would help the cars without plates.

Tom</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">this is an addition to my above post. "street legal" cars must obviously be liscensed and insured
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