Well the license and insured part kicks Wade and myself out.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MADMAN:
<strong>Well the license and insured part kicks Wade and myself out.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And if I get my dust collector out, make that 3!
I'm sure there is a few others. We do not call our cars Street-legal or pretend to be. We know they are race cars! Half of the cars will have chutes!!!

 

How about we open it up to all F-bodies and just call it "STREET APPEARING"? I think Tom is trying to keep out all out drag cars. Madman your car is pretty darn close to an all out drag car. Your dash isn't even the stock dash, is it?? I am all for letting your car and the Agostino car into this event, just let's open it up to all F-bodies and call it "street appearing".

 

The rules in my mind are very lienient. It does not say anything about license and insurance. I guess I see nothing that eliminates either of the ARE cars.

Note your suggested changes to the rules as I stated them and if it seems reasonable and fair I will make the change. We need to keep this fair so average guys like myself can still be competive.

Tom

 

King of the Hill

King of the Hill is a heads-up class designed for EFI 4th Gen Camaro’s and Firebird’s. All forms of power adders are allowed. All entries compete on a 12.5-inch maximum contact patch.

Requirements:

Body - The body must be stock in appearance and profiles. Aftermarket fiberglass replacement panels are limited to the hood.

Interior – OEM appearing dash is required, equipment such as turn signals, ignition key, hazards, light switches must be functional. Stock-type pedals in stock location are required. Full interior, carpet, and headliner are required. Aftermarket bucket seats are allowed. A full stock dashboard with instruments (aftermarket instruments are allowed), controls, and wiring must be retained. A heater is optional. The back seat may be deleted; however, the exposed area must be carpeted.

Wheeltubs - Aftermarket wheeltubs are not allowed and should resemble an OEM appearance.

Chassis - Complete stock frame must be retained over the entire length of the chassis with the following exceptions: (1) Front K member may be of tubular construction; (2) Notching is allowed for the purpose of providing tire clearance only.

Front Suspension - Stock front suspension is required. Aftermarket direct-replacement components are allowed as long as stock mounting points are maintained. Shocks must mount in stock location.

Rear Suspension - Aftermarket torque arms are permitted. Attachment points on body or frame must remain in stock location. Wheelie bars are acceptable .

Automatic Transmission - Automatic transmissions originally produced by any American automobile manufacturer are required. Transmission-to-engine adapters are permitted. Aftermarket torque converter, trans-brake, shift kit, valvebody, pan cooler, and shifter use are permitted. All shifts must be made manually without the aid of aftermarket electric or pneumatic devices.

Manual Transmission - Any manual transmission built by an automotive manufacturer, with stock case is acceptable.

Rearend - Any rearend manufactured by Ford, GM, or Chrysler is allowed. Spools, aftermarket axles, and any gear ratio are allowed.

Engine - Any GM L98 - LT1 - LS1 based engine is allowed. C5R or aftermarket Engine is allowed at a 100lb. weight penalty. No restrictions on internal engine modifications.

Exhaust - Mufflers are required. Header mufflers are ok.

Fuel System - Fuel cells, electric fuel pumps, pressure regulators, and any line size is permitted.

Base Weight (W/Driver)
Naturally Aspirated, 6.5 lbs per cubic inch
Power Adder, 7.6 lbs per cubic inch

Getting there yet?

Tom

<small>[ November 06, 2002, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: FSTR-THANU ]</small>

 

As long as license and insrance is not required you will have the cars out of my shop. So far the rules look good to me. Keep the cars on stock style suspension, 10.5 tire, I also think you need to allow minitubbing. I know my car, Wades, and Sikoras have small minitubbs. You cant see the tub with the interior panels in so the cars still look stock.

<small>[ November 06, 2002, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: MADMAN ]</small>

 

I agree with Chris, let just race. Who cares whos car can drive 5-10 or 1000 miles. Restrictions and all this other crap. Lets look at what Thunder did. They set up something and had a good turnout. Lets just go off of there rules and make some changes if neccesary. If not, pick a track, make some rules and get it on. I think any of the guys at the THUNDER race would agree. Ask some of the big guys like MADMAN, Chris S., Brandy etc and see what they think. Also I would not drive my car 30 miles and race it for 1500$. I can race for that on the street or at the track with no drive. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Stefan D.
" King of the Cane Field" Champion
MS/PA Champion

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">you have no a/c and no radio, aint no street car to me.

my point is not to upset anyone, my point is that 'street' is relative to different people.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm not interested in dragsters that can make a 25-mile trip. Those aren't "street" cars to me. I think a poweradder and a naturally aspirated class would be needed. Licensed and tagged is a must, otherwise they aren't street cars. DOT tires is just fine.

Its a nice challenge to run 10s in a daily-driver. My only weight reduction is the front swaybar. My car still has A/C, full leather interior, all power options, and a full exhaust. All I do is swap the tires at the track and race. I'd rather compete with similar cars personally.

-Tony

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by DIAMOND:
<strong>
As for street cars I guess the guy's here in Detroit have a different view of what we consider street cars. On any given Friday & Saturday night you can find Tom, Harlan and myself street driving our race cars. We also have been known to run SLICKS on the street. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree. Some of us here in Detroit drive our cars for more then 8-9 seconds at a time I guess everyone has a different view on what they consider a street car and build the cars to what they do the most(street driving or racing).

So far the rules look good to me.

Tom, are the rules for tires a DOT tire(example ET street) or just 12.5 contact patch of any drag slick?

Either way, I'll show up for this one. Sounds like alot of fun <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>Bah why not just have a race?

All this added bullshit drives up the time and cost factor.

If you are talking TRUE street legal you would need cats, emissions testing and all that **** for most states. (Some of the Stang classes have this) Emissions testing after every pass!

Nobody is pretending these cars are street cars. Screw that, set a date, weight restrictions, engine combo restrictions, and race the cars <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

This cruise stuff is not only a waste of time and money it is BORING!

After towing/driving the car 20 plus hours to get to an event I would MUCH rather spend my morning doing time trials and dialing the car in than driving around a 25-50 mile cruise.

Then have the races in the afternoon and beers at night back at the hotel. <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
Cheers,
Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">so basically another THUNDER SHOOTOUT with a different sponsor <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
im confused. when MADMAN called out ARE, everyone bitched and moaned that the two cars were different and shouldnt race. but now that both cars might have to change things to be able to compete in a "FASTEST STREET CAR CHALLENGE" its ok to change the rules?

 

OK, check it out Tom....I like the small tire rule but, come on and let us guy's with the older cars come and play. I fit in except for the 4th gen part and stock style suspension. If you open it up to all year F-bodies you will have a lot more cars......can't you do this for a sponsor?? The more cars you get the more fun we will have and the more money that will be available. Or what about older f-bodies with LS1's in them?? Let me know...I want to come and play!

 

I think that all years shou be able to compete. Just say stock style spension ie. leaf springs and slapper bars.

 

Hey ROB, was there something wrong with the THUNDERSHOOTOUT? I dont follow, it sounds like something bothered you about it.

 

Tom:
Let the older f-bodies in and If you’re going to limit the rear end.

Limit the tire width not the suspension!

this will allow Chris and 4-linked cars like ours in.

 

Ya, Like Tim said. Limit the tire size not the suspension. I just want to bring the Duck out to play.

 

I dont understand?

I just dont see the point of having a 25-50 mile drive around a parking lot or city after a 20+ hour tow. LOL. I think it is <img border="0" alt="[gay]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

You drive all the way to the event to RACE and have fun with the cars, drivers etc.

Have time trials, TNT and dial ins in the morning, race in the afternoon with TNT in between rounds and have a good night out somewhere after all is said and done <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

Nobody is claiming to have an 8-9 second street car here in the normal sense of the word anyways (tagged, insured, emissions compliant, full exhaust with cats etc)

so I dont see what the big deal is...

If you do have what you think is a 8-9 second street car good for you...drive it to the track, race it and drive home. I will be most impressed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

I think there should be a limit on tire size (W or non W allowed) and a minimum weight (say 3200 pounds) and stock style suspension. Thats it.

It will be easy for people to comply to those simple rules and everyone can have a good time.

Invite different generations of F-bods if you want. (Personally I would prefer just a fourth gen event for simplicity with maybe a few special guests in other gens).

Have tech the night before if possible, setup TNT, time trials, brackets and heads up pro tree racing. Start TNT and time trials at 8:30 in the morning and glue the bejesus out of the track <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

That way people bumped out or those just wanting to make a few passes can still get runs in, you have slow cars having fun with faster cars in the brackets and you have the heads up/Pro tree for the big dawgs to play in.

8,9,10,11,12,13 second classes.

Its all in fun anyways right?

That would be my idea of a perfect event.

Cheers,
Chris

 

A street car is a car any car that is driven on the street regardless of what tire what suspension or how far it can drive.If your going to call it the fastest street car then there are no rules rase what you got!!!Unless your saying that all of the sudden there are rules in street racing.

 

thats just silly.. you can 'place' anything you want to 'on the street'

at the very least, street car would have to mean

registered and insured, inspected and muffled (of some kind)

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Stefan D.:
<strong>Hey ROB, was there something wrong with the THUNDERSHOOTOUT? I dont follow, it sounds like something bothered you about it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">no, i think you mis-understood what i was saying. what Chris described he wanted this race to be was in esence another thunder shootout. i guess us west coasters have a different veiw of what a STREET CAR is. ill just let you guys argue over the rules because i wont be attending anyways.

 

Mightymouse your right I was just saying that to many rules is as wrong as no rules at all.sorry!