All this "fastest 4th gen stuff"
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" Ditto on Sled's idea of a NA class. I like running NA, and don't plan on strapping a bottle on the car anytime soon.
The rules will never make everyone happy, but personally, I would like to see NA cars seperate from PA cars, and weight breaks depending on cubes.
The rules will never make everyone happy, but personally, I would like to see NA cars seperate from PA cars, and weight breaks depending on cubes.
Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by GeorgeC:
<strong>
The rules will never make everyone happy, but personally, I would like to see NA cars seperate from PA cars, and weight breaks depending on cubes.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If your doing weight per cubes for N/A only, maybe you could group them like this and put 50lb weight differences between each??
346-375
376-406
407-437
438+
OR
346-385
386-422
423+
<small>[ November 07, 2002, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: SLED28 ]</small>
<strong>
The rules will never make everyone happy, but personally, I would like to see NA cars seperate from PA cars, and weight breaks depending on cubes.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If your doing weight per cubes for N/A only, maybe you could group them like this and put 50lb weight differences between each??
346-375
376-406
407-437
438+
OR
346-385
386-422
423+
<small>[ November 07, 2002, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: SLED28 ]</small>
Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" Kurt to keep it simple there HAS to be a penalty for Bowtie, Dart, M, and other aftermarket blocks. Once folks use those, they are more likely to run it on the edge.
Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" I think that if you want the fast cars AND have the race in the middle of the country then FIRST GUARANTEE a purse of $2000.00 for the winner and PSJ you can throw the weight on me! J/K Lets race!!!!!
That amount of money would be only fair for the guys from tex, CAN, and deep fla.
That amount of money would be only fair for the guys from tex, CAN, and deep fla.
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" Great stuff, I am reading and taking notes. The base rules have been written and multiple parties are helping to evaluate them based on past experience and your comments here.
As far as the purse goes, Motown Muscle does not look to profit from these events so there is a good chance for a large purse. If MM breaks even, the event sponsors and participants profit we are happy. Of coarse, I doubt any MM guy would turn down a beer or two for their efforts.
Thanks!
Tom
As far as the purse goes, Motown Muscle does not look to profit from these events so there is a good chance for a large purse. If MM breaks even, the event sponsors and participants profit we are happy. Of coarse, I doubt any MM guy would turn down a beer or two for their efforts.
Thanks!
Tom
Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by The Big Show:
<strong>There was never a mention of an LS1 only race, it said fastest 4th gen. Then I see LS1 guys start crying about rules and other cars and other types of inductions and it rattled me a bit.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Understandable, my friend. Obviously, people have different ideas about the limitations of this event.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Man, lets get this kicked off. I haven't been racing in over 3 years and I'm about dying for some HEADS UP action next year. Especially after watching everybody else go down the track at the Thunder Shootout.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Indeed. I think it is great how the amount of interest in these get-togethers is growing so rapidly. Hopefully, we'll just keep drawing more and more and more attention and all kinds of good stuff will happen. This is great!
<strong>There was never a mention of an LS1 only race, it said fastest 4th gen. Then I see LS1 guys start crying about rules and other cars and other types of inductions and it rattled me a bit.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Understandable, my friend. Obviously, people have different ideas about the limitations of this event.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Man, lets get this kicked off. I haven't been racing in over 3 years and I'm about dying for some HEADS UP action next year. Especially after watching everybody else go down the track at the Thunder Shootout.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Indeed. I think it is great how the amount of interest in these get-togethers is growing so rapidly. Hopefully, we'll just keep drawing more and more and more attention and all kinds of good stuff will happen. This is great!
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" This probably the best thread on the site. Lots of great racing ideas that I'm sure can be worked out. I just want to reinforce the idea of having the race in the middle of the country at a fast, high quality track (i.e., St. Louis) to attract more racers.
Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" I'm not quite up to par with you "big Dawgs" but I'll lay claim to my car being a street car. I was able to drive it to Toronto (ARE) 6 hrs, and back, 6 hrs. 20 mpg, and still ran a 10.6 the next week <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />
I'm not saying that customs could understand a dam thing I was saying, but... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
You guys set it up, and if I can, I'll come to watch. It really plays with peoples minds when you pull up in your fancy SS, switch tires, blast off some 10.6's, load her back up & drive it home. The look on the 12 sec Mustangs being trailers, as I pass them on the highway, is priceless. Have a good day.. <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" />
<small>[ November 07, 2002, 12:18 PM: Message edited by: Black Sunshine/ 00SS ]</small>
I'm not saying that customs could understand a dam thing I was saying, but... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
You guys set it up, and if I can, I'll come to watch. It really plays with peoples minds when you pull up in your fancy SS, switch tires, blast off some 10.6's, load her back up & drive it home. The look on the 12 sec Mustangs being trailers, as I pass them on the highway, is priceless. Have a good day.. <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" />
<small>[ November 07, 2002, 12:18 PM: Message edited by: Black Sunshine/ 00SS ]</small>
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by stealth:
<strong> high quality track (i.e., St. Louis) to attract more racers.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To rent out gateway is gonna be expensive and causes the event organizers to find more sponsors or get more money out of the sponsors or even ask more from an entry fee/specator
Even though bowling green is a good 6 hours from me, i think it would be the place to be. Its a little further east than "central" but it holds many different organizational races there and isn't too bad to rent out.
I personally like the rules that Kurtis has come up with but i dont think you can keep this to stock suspended either. There are too many people who dont want to deal with the torque style suspension and just use ladder bars. And in essence....a torque arm is just one large ladder bar
What you *COULD* do if there was enough interest.....make 2 classes. 1 for stock style suspended and one for those who aren't.
THEN, if you had enough of those that ARE NOT stock suspended...put them in their own class. IF there isn't enough to do that, then i would say just give them a weight penalty for coil overs. A street ladder bar kit on a non-coilovered suspension doesn't scare me.
<strong> high quality track (i.e., St. Louis) to attract more racers.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To rent out gateway is gonna be expensive and causes the event organizers to find more sponsors or get more money out of the sponsors or even ask more from an entry fee/specator
Even though bowling green is a good 6 hours from me, i think it would be the place to be. Its a little further east than "central" but it holds many different organizational races there and isn't too bad to rent out.
I personally like the rules that Kurtis has come up with but i dont think you can keep this to stock suspended either. There are too many people who dont want to deal with the torque style suspension and just use ladder bars. And in essence....a torque arm is just one large ladder bar
What you *COULD* do if there was enough interest.....make 2 classes. 1 for stock style suspended and one for those who aren't.
THEN, if you had enough of those that ARE NOT stock suspended...put them in their own class. IF there isn't enough to do that, then i would say just give them a weight penalty for coil overs. A street ladder bar kit on a non-coilovered suspension doesn't scare me.
Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" Not that I'm scared BUT the rule about 4 link cars will finally let Billingsley racing(another sponsor) AND alot of Comp cars. Does anyone want to run a B/SM car that runs 8.20 in the 1/4?????????????????????????// I will but will you??????
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" As it sits right now I am not allowing cars with 4-links to compete.
C5R SS,
Your car is sitting next to mine at APE right now and they do not belong in the same class with each other. If you think you will have your car ready by the event then show up for some exhibition passes or something.
Btw: Your paint job is incredible, it really is an awesome car.
Tom
C5R SS,
Your car is sitting next to mine at APE right now and they do not belong in the same class with each other. If you think you will have your car ready by the event then show up for some exhibition passes or something.
Btw: Your paint job is incredible, it really is an awesome car.
Tom
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" I whole hardily concur with Jimmy with reference to the two classes. I also believe PSJ made mention to allowing 4-link and coil-overs with a small weight penalty. This solution is simple in its concept and allows for more cars, more people and more fun for everyone.
For those of you who are not sure what a 4-linked coil-over suspension is, check out the following links.
http://www.prols1.com/MPR_Chassis/MPR_RearAxels.jpg
http://www.prols1.com/MPR_Chassis/MPR_RearHousing7.jpg
http://www.prols1.com/MPR_Chassis/MPR_4LinkSetup.jpg
For those of you who are not sure what a 4-linked coil-over suspension is, check out the following links.
http://www.prols1.com/MPR_Chassis/MPR_RearAxels.jpg
http://www.prols1.com/MPR_Chassis/MPR_RearHousing7.jpg
http://www.prols1.com/MPR_Chassis/MPR_4LinkSetup.jpg
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" Thanks Tom:
As far as the paint and bodywork goes, all the credit goes to Jeff Mancini and his team at Auto Crafters (248) 628-5650. They did an exceptional job and I can’t wait to see it up close.
Exhibition passes are fine with me for this event, we just want to show what the car can do. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Later...
As far as the paint and bodywork goes, all the credit goes to Jeff Mancini and his team at Auto Crafters (248) 628-5650. They did an exceptional job and I can’t wait to see it up close.
Exhibition passes are fine with me for this event, we just want to show what the car can do. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Later...
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> +250lbs Single Turbos >91mm
+200lb for Aftermarket Manual Trans
+100lbs for heads that aren't 23* Valve Angle
(Sorry LS1 boys but fair is fair right?? )
+100lbs for Wheelie Bars
+200lbs for Roots Superchargers over 8-71
+50lbs for Non Stock Intake In stock Configuraion
+100lbs for Aftermarket Intake, Sheetmetal, EFI Carb Style (This would automatically add 100lbs to the Carb'd guys for those of you sceered of Carbs)
-200lbs for V6s
-200lbs for Factory Manual Trans
-100lbs for factory Engine Management
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can i tow a trailer with my extra weight <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
I would drive to go see a race in the midwest with what i hear is gonna go even without my car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
+200lb for Aftermarket Manual Trans
+100lbs for heads that aren't 23* Valve Angle
(Sorry LS1 boys but fair is fair right?? )
+100lbs for Wheelie Bars
+200lbs for Roots Superchargers over 8-71
+50lbs for Non Stock Intake In stock Configuraion
+100lbs for Aftermarket Intake, Sheetmetal, EFI Carb Style (This would automatically add 100lbs to the Carb'd guys for those of you sceered of Carbs)
-200lbs for V6s
-200lbs for Factory Manual Trans
-100lbs for factory Engine Management
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can i tow a trailer with my extra weight <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
I would drive to go see a race in the midwest with what i hear is gonna go even without my car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" ZTurbo,
I would love to see your car show up and run. From the pics a have looked at, there seems to be no reason why you could not.
Tom
I would love to see your car show up and run. From the pics a have looked at, there seems to be no reason why you could not.
Tom
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" so when will it be? April sounds good to me, I will be chomping at the bit by then <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" Steven, Actually I frogot the 100lbs for Twins. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
As you said before you built a car w/o a set of rules, and so you ended up with a car that doesn't fit in the rules. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
If that you can utilize all the parts you've gotten into you're gonna have one FAST Hot Rod. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> But for now, I'm still gonna talk smack. One Nitrous Plate will lay the Smack down on the Twin T-66s next spring. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
BTW, quit blocking me on MSN Messenger Butthead. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
Kurtis "Talks smack when maybe he shouldn't" Tamez
As you said before you built a car w/o a set of rules, and so you ended up with a car that doesn't fit in the rules. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
If that you can utilize all the parts you've gotten into you're gonna have one FAST Hot Rod. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> But for now, I'm still gonna talk smack. One Nitrous Plate will lay the Smack down on the Twin T-66s next spring. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
BTW, quit blocking me on MSN Messenger Butthead. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
Kurtis "Talks smack when maybe he shouldn't" Tamez
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Re: All this "fastest 4th gen stuff" </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Steven, Actually I frogot the 100lbs for Twins.
As you said before you built a car w/o a set of rules, and so you ended up with a car that doesn't fit in the rules.
If that you can utilize all the parts you've gotten into you're gonna have one FAST Hot Rod. But for now, I'm still gonna talk smack. One Nitrous Plate will lay the Smack down on the Twin T-66s next spring.
BTW, quit blocking me on MSN Messenger Butthead.
Kurtis "Talks smack when maybe he shouldn't" Tamez </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Talk smack all ya want chief and i will too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Hell i might blow at the line and give you the gimmie (insert Kurtis on knee's praying) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
I know it is all in fun I think if I can make it to one of these races i will spend more time gaucking at others sweet rides then wanting to race though.
You havent been blocked in months sucka
Steven "Turns off Arrogant Western mode" Yall come back ya hear
As you said before you built a car w/o a set of rules, and so you ended up with a car that doesn't fit in the rules.
If that you can utilize all the parts you've gotten into you're gonna have one FAST Hot Rod. But for now, I'm still gonna talk smack. One Nitrous Plate will lay the Smack down on the Twin T-66s next spring.
BTW, quit blocking me on MSN Messenger Butthead.
Kurtis "Talks smack when maybe he shouldn't" Tamez </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Talk smack all ya want chief and i will too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Hell i might blow at the line and give you the gimmie (insert Kurtis on knee's praying) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
I know it is all in fun I think if I can make it to one of these races i will spend more time gaucking at others sweet rides then wanting to race though.
You havent been blocked in months sucka
Steven "Turns off Arrogant Western mode" Yall come back ya hear
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I didnt have time to read this whole thread, But make it 100 miles, and 5 passes, without even getting out of the car. Right in a row, and Im in!
We could also say do it with the AC on and the radio playing, Hows that?
We could also say do it with the AC on and the radio playing, Hows that?